05 Jun 04
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Originally posted by ianpickering1. There is alot of food that is tasty- if you expanded your food choices beyond that of rotting carcasses, you may find that most of the world population eats vegetarian food (as it is the most economic) and such ethnic foods are delicous! 😛
My reasons for eating animals
1. They are very tasty. Is there anything nicer than a bacon butty?
2. We have teeth adapted to eat them So it must be natural.
3. If we didn't eat them they wouldn't be alive in the first place ...[text shortened]... tot live at all?
Feel free to agree or post a counter argument.
2. I bet you couldn't run down a cow, jump on his back and tear his flesh...so much for your carnivorous teeth! 😕 We need *tools* to kill animals and tear them apart- nor can our teeth and hands slaughter an animal as we don't have teeth sharp enough and the claws required to kill.
3. The reason that 27 billion animals are killed for food in the US is because we eat them- yes that is a very astute observation! 😉 But, i think we can agree, that most of us wouldn't want to live in the horrendous conditions in which bred farmed animals live. They are often cramped in small quarters and denyed anything that is natural to them...So if you ask me, I'd rather not have lived than to have lived through hell-- so instead of raising hell, vegetarians try to bring a little bit of heaven on earth, by embracing a compassionate lifestyle where no living being had to suffer.😵
The non-meat food choices out there are tremendous, the benefit to the environment is awesome, and the impact on your health is undeniable...it is no wonder that every year there are a million more vegetarians! Doctors are actively recommending this as the diet for the new millenia!
06 Jun 04
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Originally posted by shavixmirthis is an excellent idea actually.
A long time ago I catagorised the problem as:
They don't want me to eat cows, because they feel sorry for the poor animals.
I don't want them nagging at me for eating cows.
So I came to the conclusion: [b]Let's eat the vegetarians.
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when one tries to eat a vegetarian, he/she will protest in a language that you just can't ignore.
it seems, for some reason, much harder to understand a cow, pig, or chicken when they tell you they aren't too pleased about what is happening to them.
however, once you try to consume a vegetarian, the articulation will come through loud and clear.
it may also carry some strength for those creatures who just don't have the same communication skills, but nevertheless value their lives as much as the vegetarians in whose contemplation you smack your lips! 😛
in friendship,
prad
ps ianpickering i would like to respond to your initial post despite sangeeta's excellent reply, but i will wait to see if you really do get served up with spud, peas and gravy 😀
06 Jun 04
Originally posted by pradtfNice one!
this is an excellent idea actually.
when one tries to eat a vegetarian, he/she will protest in a language that you just can't ignore.
it seems, for some reason, much harder to understand a cow, pig, or chicken when they tell you they aren't too pleased about what is happening to them.
however, once you try to consume a vegetarian, the articulation will ...[text shortened]... ellent reply, but i will wait to see if you really do get served up with spud, peas and gravy 😀
06 Jun 04
Perhaps if people were responsible for raising and killing, dressing and cooking their own animals there might be more respect for animals, or perhaps more vegetarians. I was raised on a cattle ranch. I raise sheep and goats as well. I have killed and dressed animals that I have raised from babies. I don't like it, and I have become a veggie of late. Aty least I try to be aveggie. I do still eat a bit of seafood and chicken.
About eggs- yes they are sort of grotty, but yummy. Butr when you eat them you are not killing anything. The eggs we eat are unfertilized, meaning that they would never develop into anything but a rotten egg.
Most people are not aware that even if you cut meat from your diet, you are still participating in the death of animals through the use of medication, food, make-up, clothing, and a variety of other products.
But you know, no matter what you choose to eat or not eat, shouldn't you be treated with repsect?
06 Jun 04
Originally posted by shavixmirIf you're not a tomatoe you must be a pig or a cow. Take your pick. I'd rather be the tomatoe.
I've spent hours trying to think of a good come-back to Pradtf's post. This is the best I could come up with:
"You are what you eat, and I sure as hell ain't no tomato."
It's not very good. I know...
Sigh.
What about biological dynamic foods? Free range chickens etc.?
06 Jun 04
Originally posted by elvendreamgirlActually, there is a lot of death, as well as great suffering, involved in the production of eggs. Firstly, everyone may know, males can't produce eggs. Therefore, all the males born of egg-laying breeds (about half born are males) are killed shortly after birth, often by suffocation in plastic bags, being thrown into woodchippers, or just tossed in a dumpster to die slowly.
About eggs- yes they are sort of grotty, but yummy. Butr when you eat them you are not killing anything. The eggs we eat are unfertilized, meaning that they would never develop into anything but a rotten egg.
The hens live longer, but still far short of their natural lifespans. They also endure antiobiotics in all their foods, being crammed against one another in tiny cages stacked one atop another in long, long rows in buildings filled with the stench of ammonia from excrement, and starvation to induce egg-laying cycles when the their egg production wanes.
06 Jun 04
Originally posted by Dissident DanYes that is terrible, but so are the lives of many animals used for food or products. My family is part of the movement to treat animals with the common respect due all creatures on the earth. Our chickens are free range.
Actually, there is a lot of death, as well as great suffering, involved in the production of eggs. Firstly, everyone may know, males can't produce eggs. Therefore, all the males born of egg-laying breeds (about half born are males) are killed shortly after birth, often by suffocation in plastic bags, being thrown into woodchippers, or just tossed in a ...[text shortened]... from excrement, and starvation to induce egg-laying cycles when the their egg production wanes.
06 Jun 04
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Originally posted by martin williamsB******s. I really couldn't care less whether other people choose to eat meat or not, but it really gets on my tits when people use the ranting, biologically unsound 'argument' that you can't live healthily on a vegetarian diet. I've never taken a vitamin pill in my life and I'm perfectly healthy thank you very much, as are all the other vegetarians I know. On a less anecdotal level, the ongoing EPIC study - the largest ever study on diet in populations - is finding that vegetarians do better on a whole range of health indicators.
I don't recall ever meeting a healthy-looking vegetarian who didn't pop loads of vitamin/mineral supplements.
Many vitamins come from plants that we are unable to digest.
Herbivorous animals absorb the vitamins when they eat, an ...[text shortened]... d a tofu burger or a tender T-bone steak, barbecued to perfection?
Of course, I appreciate your concern...
Rich.
06 Jun 04
Originally posted by richhoeyJust wondering what the EPIC study stands for? I've heard of the China Study which i thought was the largest population study on diet- which came to the conclusion that in rural China where they ate a predominately, if not completely plant-based diet--they didn't suffer from the same horrific diseases that we do in the richer countries....but when they studied the city dwellers who's food choices became more meat based- their health went down hill...the diseases of the western countries started showing up in thier lives...
B******s. I really couldn't care less whether other people choose to eat meat or not, but it really gets on my tits when people use the ranting, biologically unsound 'argument' that you can't live healthily on a vegetarian diet. I've never taken a vitamin pill in my life and I'm perfectly healthy thank you very much, as are all the other vegetarians I ...[text shortened]... etter on a whole range of health indicators.
Of course, I appreciate your concern...
Rich.
06 Jun 04
Originally posted by SangeetaIt stands for the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition and the key word is prospective - meaning that rather than looking back at health records, it's following up thousands of people with different diets long into the future to see which diseases they get. Although it's prime purpose is to study the link between diet and cancer, many of the measurements it is making are also applicable to other diseases.
Just wondering what the EPIC study stands for? I've heard of the China Study which i thought was the largest population study on diet- which came to the conclusion that in rural China where they ate a predominately, if not completely plant-based diet--they didn't suffer from the same horrific diseases that we do in the richer countries....but when they s ...[text shortened]... alth went down hill...the diseases of the western countries started showing up in thier lives...
The Chinese observation is one of many showing that moving from an Asian diet to a Western diet is generally a bad plan. It's not just about meat, but it certainly plays a part.
Rich.