24 Jun 21
@earl-of-trumps saidRight wingers have opposed that idea for decades. Here's Rand Paul writing in 2013:
How about it the US Government GIVES you your ID for free. Any takers to such an idea, liberals???
bullshyte. freekin' liars.
"I am against the idea that American citizens should be forced to carry around a National Identification Card as a condition of citizenship."
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/24/blocking-the-pathway-to-a-national-id/
Admittedly so has the ACLU and some other liberal groups. But here's an editorial from the progressive Mother Jones endorsing the idea: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/national-id-card-voter-fraud-solution/
24 Jun 21
@earl-of-trumps saidI'm not really interested in debating Voter ID laws; 36 States already have them including all the States that are currently considering new voter suppression laws. So as I already said, the discussion is a smokescreen for right wingers to talk about something besides what they are really up to.
Show me where people cannot get ID's if so required.
that's just a big lie that liberals keep repeating but never substantiate. SHOW ME.
Face the facts, Democrats have a gold mine in an "anybody can vote" system and they want it left that way
But:
"Millions of Americans Lack ID. 11% of U.S. citizens – or more than 21 million Americans – do not have government-issued photo identification.1
Obtaining ID Costs Money. Even if ID is offered for free, voters must incur numerous costs (such as paying for birth certificates) to apply for a government-issued ID.
Underlying documents required to obtain ID cost money, a significant expense for lower-income Americans. The combined cost of document fees, travel expenses and waiting time are estimated to range from $75 to $175.2
The travel required is often a major burden on people with disabilities, the elderly, or those in rural areas without access to a car or public transportation. In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office.3
Voter ID Laws Reduce Voter Turnout. A 2014 GAO study found that strict photo ID laws reduce turnout by 2-3 percentage points,4 which can translate into tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state.5
Voter ID Laws Are Discriminatory
Minority voters disproportionately lack ID. Nationally, up to 25% of African-American citizens of voting age lack government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of whites.6
States exclude forms of ID in a discriminatory manner. Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards. Until its voter ID law was struck down, North Carolina prohibited public assistance IDs and state employee ID cards, which are disproportionately held by Black voters. And until recently, Wisconsin permitted active duty military ID cards, but prohibited Veterans Affairs ID cards for voting.
Voter ID laws are enforced in a discriminatory manner. A Caltech/MIT study found that minority voters are more frequently questioned about ID than are white voters.7
Voter ID laws reduce turnout among minority voters. Several studies, including a 2014 GAO study, have found that photo ID laws have a particularly depressive effect on turnout among racial minorities and other vulnerable groups, worsening the participation gap between voters of color and whites.8"
https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
24 Jun 21
@eladar saidThere's three examples given in this report where someone would have to travel over 160 miles to the nearest Texas Department of Public Safety office the only place to get a "free" Voter ID. They are:
What region of Texas are we talking about that requires such a long trip to get an ID. How many voters actually live there?
Ozona, Crocket County to San Angelo [163 miles]
Sanderson, Terrell County to Fort Stockton [170 miles]
Sierra Blanca, Hudspeth County to El Paso [176 miles]:
http://charleshamiltonhouston.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/FullReportVoterIDJune2014.pdf
pp. 21-23
24 Jun 21
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So how many people are we talking about?
They do not have some sort of DMV in those locations or near to them where they can get a driver's license or state ID?
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@no1marauder saidseems you are spreading lies again...
There's three examples given in this report where someone would have to travel over 160 miles to the nearest Texas Department of Public Safety office the only place to get a "free" Voter ID. They are:
Ozona, Crocket County to San Angelo [163 miles]
Sanderson, Terrell County to Fort Stockton [170 miles]
Sierra Blanca, Hudspeth County to El Paso [176 miles]:
http://charleshamiltonhouston.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/FullReportVoterIDJune2014.pdf
pp. 21-23
https://www.texastribune.org/2013/06/25/dps-begin-offering-free-voter-id-cards-week/
https://dmvhandbook.org/locations/ozona-dps-office/
https://dmvhandbook.org/locations/sanderson-dps-office/
https://driversed.com/dmv/texas/sierra-blanca.aspx
25 Jun 21
@no1marauder - said
the discussion is a smokescreen for right wingers to talk about something besides what they are really up to.
Yes yes, we already KNOW what they are up to - stopping democrat dead people and illegal aliens from voting.
it's called CHEATER SUPRESSION.
so as you say voter turnout is 2-3% suppressed...? See, it's working already in those states. Excellent.
25 Jun 21
@earl-of-trumps saidYou've presented zero evidence to back your claim of widespread voter fraud.
@no1marauder - said
the discussion is a smokescreen for right wingers to talk about something besides what they are really up to.
Yes yes, we already KNOW what they are up to - stopping democrat dead people and illegal aliens from voting.
it's called CHEATER SUPRESSION.
so as you say voter turnout is 2-3% suppressed...? See, it's working already in those states. Excellent.
We both know why.
@eladar saidAccording to Mott's link, it's open one day a week for 6 hours as are the other two.
Ozona Texas
Texas Department of Public Safety
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Driver's license office in Ozona, Texas
Address: 1503 Monterey St, Ozona, TX 76943
I imagine they made this change after the report I cited. It's still pitifully inadequate.
@no1marauder saidThe Dead Vote in Chicago Elections
You've presented zero evidence to back your claim of widespread voter fraud.
We both know why.
Cemetery Survey-An Analysis of the Dead Vote
https://strong.academic.wlu.edu/humor/the-dead-vote-in-chicago-elections/
Statistical studies often show as many as eight precincts that have more registered Democrats than they have adult residents.
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TONS of links out there on dead people voting. Amazingly, they all seem to be DEMOCRAT.
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25 Jun 21
@no1marauder saidyou got caught spreading lies…end of story.
According to Mott's link, it's open one day a week for 6 hours as are the other two.
I imagine they made this change after the report I cited. It's still pitifully inadequate.
25 Jun 21
@no1marauder saidA Texas Department of Public Safety only open one day a week? It is an official state agency. They are in pretty much every city. I wonder if you can understand what that means when it comes to having to go to just one city.
According to Mott's link, it's open one day a week for 6 hours as are the other two.
I imagine they made this change after the report I cited. It's still pitifully inadequate.
In any case, as you can see, the claim that poor people in certain parts of the state cannot get ID due to having to travel over a hundred miles is not true. Now there is no reason why everyone in Texas cannot get a state ID.
25 Jun 21
@mott-the-hoople saidDo you even know what a lie is?
you got caught spreading lies…end of story.