03 Dec 20
@moonbus saidWho claimed they had to be duplicate ballots? There are multiple ways to commit election fraud. That is merely one of many.
In some states/counties, the signature is on the ballot, whereas in others it is on the envelope. This is partly why it is so difficult to forge enough ballots to tip an election: the forgers would have to have had access to a large number of different types/formats of valid ballots from many different states/counties well enough in advance to duplicate them on printing press ...[text shortened]... ccur.
The more you look at the nuts and bolts of conspiracy theories, the more they don't add up.
You don't know. You must eliminate ALL possibilities of fraud to really know. You have not done that.
03 Dec 20
@no1marauder saidFalse assumption.
I didn't "claim" it; I showed it was a fact.
The signature on the envelope is checked by representatives of both parties and then the ballot is taken out of the envelope to be counted and the envelope set aside. The reason for this is simple: so that the secrecy of one's vote is maintained.
IF there was an imbalance in the number of envelopes and the number of ball ...[text shortened]... nce of ................................ something. But there isn't, so you have evidence of nothing.
An imbalance in the number of envelopes and the number of ballots does not rule out fraud. That only rules out one method of fraud. Since there is no signature on the ballots there is the possibility that they could be replaced by forged ballots to change the outcome.
My post was not about evidence, it was about possibilities the person I was addressing overlooked. You are clearly doing the same thing.
Again, you don't know.
03 Dec 20
@no1marauder saidThousands of Ballots Were Scanned Numerous Times in Dominion Machines: Contractor Witness
You've shown no such thing. Your claim is complete and utter BS.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/thousands-of-ballots-were-scanned-numerous-times-in-dominion-machines-contractor-witness_3603134.html
@metal-brain saidNo, I do not. The burden of proof is on those who claim that fraud occurred, to show how it occurred, and then to provide evidence that it did in fact occur (not merely that it was possible).
Who claimed they had to be duplicate ballots? There are multiple ways to commit election fraud. That is merely one of many.
You don't know. You must eliminate ALL possibilities of fraud to really know. You have not done that.
03 Dec 20
@metal-brain saidI don't think Saddam's Iraq is relevant to the discussion. Unless your point is that someone, somewhere, at some time in history, might have committed some fraud or other. In which case, your point is trivial.
You don't think Saddam's Iraq certified vote results?
03 Dec 20
@metal-brain saidIt's possible that aliens from the Magellanic Clouds changed the marks on the ballot by their incredible mind powers.
False assumption.
An imbalance in the number of envelopes and the number of ballots does not rule out fraud. That only rules out one method of fraud. Since there is no signature on the ballots there is the possibility that they could be replaced by forged ballots to change the outcome.
My post was not about evidence, it was about possibilities the person I was addressing overlooked. You are clearly doing the same thing.
Again, you don't know.
Now prove it; don't insist that others have to disprove it - that is not how a rational legal system works.
Having a signature on the actual ballot would end the secret vote and no State allows it AFAIK. There is an outer envelope with a unique bar code for each voter and a place for that voter to enter certain info and sign. Inside that envelope is a "secrecy envelope" where the actual ballot is placed. If that envelope is tampered with or open, the ballot is not counted so your "forged ballot replacing the real one" scenario is impossible absent the cooperation of all the absentee ballot inspectors half of whom are Republicans.
04 Dec 20
@no1marauder saidhttps://www.theepochtimes.com/thousands-of-ballots-were-scanned-numerous-times-in-dominion-machines-contractor-witness_3603134.html
It's possible that aliens from the Magellanic Clouds changed the marks on the ballot by their incredible mind powers.
Now prove it; don't insist that others have to disprove it - that is not how a rational legal system works.
Having a signature on the actual ballot would end the secret vote and no State allows it AFAIK. There is an outer envelope with a unique bar c ...[text shortened]... mpossible absent the cooperation of all the absentee ballot inspectors half of whom are Republicans.
04 Dec 20
@metal-brain saidLMAO! That crackpot made a complete fool of herself: https://people.com/politics/a-michigan-contract-it-worker-went-viral-for-her-unfounded-election-claims/
https://www.theepochtimes.com/thousands-of-ballots-were-scanned-numerous-times-in-dominion-machines-contractor-witness_3603134.html
A judge has already found her "allegations simply not credible". https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/11/Scanned-from-a-Xerox-Multifunction-Printer.pdf p. 7
Among other things, she absurdly claimed that poll books kept of registered voters were off by "100,000" because otherwise her claims of multiple voting were refuted by them.
04 Dec 20
@no1marauder saidRefuted by who? Was it from people she didn't accuse if rigging the election? It is pretty important to know that.
LMAO! That crackpot made a complete fool of herself: https://people.com/politics/a-michigan-contract-it-worker-went-viral-for-her-unfounded-election-claims/
A judge has already found her "allegations simply not credible". https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/11/Scanned-from-a-Xerox-Multifunction-Printer.pdf p. 7
Among other things, she ...[text shortened]... d voters were off by "100,000" because otherwise her claims of multiple voting were refuted by them.
@no1marauder saidSome states can track an individual voter's ballot, others cannot (data protection laws prevent this). It varies.
It's possible that aliens from the Magellanic Clouds changed the marks on the ballot by their incredible mind powers.
Now prove it; don't insist that others have to disprove it - that is not how a rational legal system works.
Having a signature on the actual ballot would end the secret vote and no State allows it AFAIK. There is an outer envelope with a unique bar c ...[text shortened]... mpossible absent the cooperation of all the absentee ballot inspectors half of whom are Republicans.
In any case, I have not seen any coherent scenario how widespread voter fraud could be perpetrated via mail-in ballots. There is just the empty allegation that they are vulnerable to manipulation, but without specifying how. No "nuts and bolts."
04 Dec 20
@metal-brain saidHow many more threads do you want to get duffed up in?
I keep hearing how Trump has no evidence of widespread voter fraud. What would skeptics of Trump's election fraud claims accept as evidence?
Define this evidence. Give me an example of evidence so you cannot change the criteria and say he didn't prove enough. I suspect any evidence would be called not evidence by a Biden supporter.
Give it a rest.
04 Dec 20
@divegeester saidI am doing just fine. What is evidence?
How many more threads do you want to get duffed up in?
Give it a rest.
We already know voter fraud happens in the USA. How much does Trump need to prove to get a recount in MI? Even if he proves 10,000 votes were fraudulent you would claim that is not enough, right?
04 Dec 20
@Metal-Brain
Tell me why Barr told Trump there was no widespread voter fraud?
So now your god king knows more than the Attorney's General.
And clearly YOU know more than the AG.
Clearly YOU should have therefore been AG.
YOU would straighten out all those disbelievers.