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15 May 06
Originally posted by rwingettIs it not possible that your memory is selective?
For as long as people have been able to read, they have been reading rubbish. This is no new phenomenon. In the 19th century trash literature abounded in the form of the dime novels and the so-called "penny dreadfuls." I don't see the public's current reading habits as being any different.
As for bad punctuation and poor spelling, you can see these type ...[text shortened]... things supposedly used to be. I maintain that this perception of your's is inaccurate.
15 May 06
Originally posted by Conrau KA post with several spelling mistakes stating that you know how to spell is not very convincing. "Thatt" is obviously a typo, and leaving out apostrophes may be out of laziness (which is a bad excuse) or because of your arthritis (which is a somewhat better excuse, but I still don't find it too convincing), but confusing "poor" and "pour" is something that usually wouldn't happen to someone who knows how to spell. And "grammer" is not correct spelling. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=grammer
EDIT: I knew someone would pick on my post. I know how to spell, I know proper grammer too (spelling with an 'e' or an 'a' is correct). But I am commenting thatt many people dont. I dont want to poor over every post I make, refining each error. This of course means that many of my posts make absolutely no sense and for that I apologise. But that's a different subject.
All that aside, how do you expect people to learn how to spell if even those who know how to spell don't care and make lots of mistakes? You learn by reading. If you see a word misspelt many times, it may start to look right. If you can spell, but don't use that ability, you are contributing to the problem.
15 May 06
Originally posted by Conrau KYou are so not right about 'grammer'.
I have arthritis.
EDIT: I knew someone would pick on my post. I know how to spell, I know proper grammer too (spelling with an 'e' or an 'a' is correct). But I am commenting thatt many people dont. I dont want to poor over every post I make, refining each error. This of course means that many of my posts make absolutely no sense and for that I apologise. But that's a different subject.
And saying you have arthritis as an excuse for poor spelling and grammar reminds me of a Monty Python sketch when a a chap calls what is obviously a man 'Miss'.
The outraged man says "What do you mean, Miss?"
The classic reply is "I'm sorry, I have a cold."
15 May 06
Originally posted by Conrau KIt's called linguistic evolution, I'm sure when contemporary English started to emerge , users of olde English reacted much like you. Everything changes 🙂
Has anyone here noticed that the standard to language is declining? Since the advent of the SMS boom, everyone seems to have abandoned conventional grammer and abolished spelling. Like the simple question, "are you coming to dinner" translates to "R U cuming 2 a smash*?" I was wondering if literacy standards were also diminishing in other countries too. In ...[text shortened]... mashed" is to be blind drunk. Maybe its the binge drinking thats causing it...
16 May 06
Originally posted by Conrau KWhat ur prob dude? R u saying that n e 1 who is a teenager is losing rspct for lit.?I like lit. Adams is da man. So is Dickens. I mean, who doesn't lve pointless books about a Pip, prisoners, and Estellas'? I mean, u should really not be the way u r towards us, man.
Has anyone here noticed that the standard to language is declining? Since the advent of the SMS boom, everyone seems to have abandoned conventional grammer and abolished spelling. Like the simple question, "are you coming to dinner" translates to "R U cuming 2 a smash*?" I was wondering if literacy standards were also diminishing in other countries too. In ...[text shortened]... mashed" is to be blind drunk. Maybe its the binge drinking thats causing it...
16 May 06
Originally posted by Conrau KIt's spelled that way becuase it used to be pronouced "Ka-NIG-hit". Night's another word that needs to be spelled differently.
And how do you spell "night" and how do say "night"?
There's a reason as to why "knight" is spelt that way. It prevents us from confusing homophones.
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16 May 06
Originally posted by NordlysFirst of all 'o' is very close to 'u' on my key board. I dont often leave out apostrophes, except in the word "don't" since this word I use frequently. Grammar can be spelt as grammer. And to be honest I dont care if the 'a' becomes an 'e' or whatever. You still understand what I mean, dont you?
A post with several spelling mistakes stating that you know how to spell is not very convincing. "Thatt" is obviously a typo, and leaving out apostrophes may be out of laziness (which is a bad excuse) or because of your arthritis (which is a somewhat better excuse, but I still don't find it too convincing), but confusing "poor" and "pour" is something that u ...[text shortened]... u can spell, but don't use that ability, you are contributing to the problem.
You did miss my point. Orwell had the worst spelling (it is well documented in the two biographes I have read and I think in his brief auto-biography "Why I write"😉. Now I wouldn't reproach Orwell as a member of this trend in language. My point is that we are purposefully degrading our language (note that every sentance begins with a capital letter, that for is not spelt 4, and so on). Orwell's prose is limpid and quite comprehensible.
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16 May 06
Originally posted by ivangriceWe come from different countries. We have different spelling. Get over it. Your clear lack of an incisive intellect has precluded you understanding what I was talking about. You just thought it might be clever to attack my spelling since you thought that is what I was berating. Its not my fault your stupid.
You are so not right about 'grammer'.
And saying you have arthritis as an excuse for poor spelling and grammar reminds me of a Monty Python sketch when a a chap calls what is obviously a man 'Miss'.
The outraged man says "What do you mean, Miss?"
The classic reply is "I'm sorry, I have a cold."
But next time I post, I will endeavour to read over every word I type and ensure proper spelling (according to your standards) is achieved.
Having said that, you repeated the letter 'a' twice.
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16 May 06
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThis has already been explained.
It's spelled that way becuase it used to be pronouced "Ka-NIG-hit". Night's another word that needs to be spelled differently.
But just accept that we now pronounce the word knight as night. To avoid confusion between the word "night" and "knight" we have different spelling. This, as I think I had earlier conveyed, is the reason why the spelling should be retained.
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16 May 06
Originally posted by abejnoodVery clever but I'm pretty sure I have no idea what you just said.
What ur prob dude? R u saying that n e 1 who is a teenager is losing rspct for lit.?I like lit. Adams is da man. So is Dickens. I mean, who doesn't lve pointless books about a Pip, prisoners, and Estellas'? I mean, u should really not be the way u r towards us, man.
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16 May 06
Originally posted by Vladamir no1I accept that everything changes. But what is open to debate is, are these changes good or bad?
It's called linguistic evolution, I'm sure when contemporary English started to emerge , users of olde English reacted much like you. Everything changes 🙂
16 May 06
I recently read that staff employed in some of the Indian call-centres which deal with customer enquiries on behalf of hundreds of organisations based in the UK and other English- speaking countries are taught to pronounce the language clearly and in accordance with the standards adopted by the educated classes in the countries with which they deal.
The result has been,in my exprience, that most of the Indians who have answered my queries speak better and more intelligible English than do many of the indigenous 'customer care' staff who are based in the UK.
Would it not be a good idea to teach, and inculcate the use of, the sort of 'standard' English once adopted by the BBC, which everyone could understand, in our schools throughout the UK?
16 May 06
Originally posted by NargagunaI'm sorry I have to disagree: I have made many calls to call-centres in India in the past year and with all due respect, I find their English unintelligible!
I recently read that staff employed in some of the Indian call-centres which deal with customer enquiries on behalf of hundreds of organisations based in the UK and other English- speaking countries are taught to pronounce the language clearly and in accordance with the standards adopted by the educated classes in the countries with which they deal.
The r ...[text shortened]... once adopted by the BBC, which everyone could understand, in our schools throughout the UK?
It is heavily accented and when it is clear, it is stilted and it sounds as if they try to ape the English of a very old-fashioned, stereotypically stuck-up Englishman (as they concentrate on noting down your credit card details in order to sell them on....)
I think they are taught an English that is contrived and not relevant.