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Originally posted by AThousandYoungGrammar is poorly defined. Many people believe that its just a series of rules that everyone must obey in order to get an A+. This is not true. Grammar is just a convention that we use to facilitate clarity of reading by others. If it can still be clearly understood without any ambiguity, then it is in a casual sense, grammatically correct. Beginning a sentance with "and" is often discouraged because "and" is a conjunction word between used to connect ideas contained within the sentance. However, some times the word "and" can function as a sort of addendum to the last sentance in which case it is accepted after the full stop - so you wouldn't call it grammetically incorrect.
It is grammatically incorrect to start a sentence with "and". I think.
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Originally posted by NordlysOther then ths schools it was taught to me at (*sighs with flimsy lack of credibility).
Then don't complain about the degeneration of language.
Can you point me to a source which says that "grammer" is correct spelling?
And anyway, the degeneration of language is not about altering a few rigid grammatical rules (I think that's the point of poetry). The degeneration of language is what I perceive to be is a trend to diminish the scope of the language.
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Originally posted by ivangriceTo be honest, your posts are so riddled with poor English usage that I really can't be bothered to highlight it all - what purpose would it serve? I'm not sure you'd understand the points I would raise anyway...
No, it's you that has demonstrated the 'trivial' spelling mistakes.
To be honest, your posts are so riddled with poor English usage that I really can't be bothered to highlight it all - what purpose would it serve? I'm not sure you'd understand the points I would raise anyway...
I tend to believe that my command of the English language is quite proficient. You're just angry that I called you stupid. 😛
I have only ever made a few spelling errors which are completely understandable.
And dont attempt to equivocate the issue. You are the one who missed the argument entirely and vainly tried to make a witty jibe. You have not made any "points" at all. So what is there to understand from you?
I bought a poem from iTunes that speaks to this issue better than anything else that I've heard or read, and then found the text of the poem online, so I paste it here. Get the performed version from iTunes or Audible.com
Totally like whatever, you know?
By Taylor Mali
www.taylormali.com
In case you hadn't noticed,
it has somehow become uncool
to sound like you know what you're talking about?
Or believe strongly in what you're saying?
Invisible question marks and parenthetical (you know?)'s
have been attaching themselves to the ends of our sentences?
Even when those sentences aren't, like, questions? You know?
Declarative sentences - so-called
because they used to, like, DECLARE things to be true
as opposed to other things which were, like, not -
have been infected by a totally hip
and tragically cool interrogative tone? You know?
Like, don't think I'm uncool just because I've noticed this;
this is just like the word on the street, you know?
It's like what I've heard?
I have nothing personally invested in my own opinions, okay?
I'm just inviting you to join me in my uncertainty?
What has happened to our conviction?
Where are the limbs out on which we once walked?
Have they been, like, chopped down
with the rest of the rain forest?
Or do we have, like, nothing to say?
Has society become so, like, totally . . .
I mean absolutely . . . You know?
That we've just gotten to the point where it's just, like . . .
whatever!
And so actually our disarticulation . . . ness
is just a clever sort of . . . thing
to disguise the fact that we've become
the most aggressively inarticulate generation
to come along since . . .
you know, a long, long time ago!
I entreat you, I implore you, I exhort you,
I challenge you: To speak with conviction.
To say what you believe in a manner that bespeaks
the determination with which you believe it.
Because contrary to the wisdom of the bumper sticker,
it is not enough these days to simply QUESTION AUTHORITY.
You have to speak with it, too.
http://www.taylormali.com/index
Originally posted by Conrau KYou're a joke. Bitching about the degeneration of language and then screwing it up yourself...then you justify it as though it's ok when you do it, but not when other people do.
Grammar is poorly defined. Many people believe that its just a series of rules that everyone must obey in order to get an A+. This is not true. Grammar is just a convention that we use to facilitate clarity of reading by others. If it can still be clearly understood without any ambiguity, then it is in a casual sense, grammatically correct. Beginning a sent ...[text shortened]... ase it is accepted after the full stop - so you wouldn't call it grammetically incorrect.
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungI don't know how many times I have said this. I'll put in capiral letters so that it might have an impact. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH OTHER PEOPLE MAKING MISTAKES WITH THEIR GRAMMAR, I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE ODD SPELLING ERROR. My complaint was at people who cannot articulate their thoughts, who purposefully diminish their vocabulary, who cannot communicate their ideas, who avoid anything too intellectual and criticize any literature with too many words in it. I am complaining that younger generations are evolving a language that does not have the scope to accommodate for the workds of Shakespeare or Byron or any other poet.
You're a joke. Bitching about the degeneration of language and then screwing it up yourself...then you justify it as though it's ok when you do it, but not when other people do.
Have you ever read a poem (there's one above in case you haven't)? In a poem grammar is typically abandoned, in fact many contemporary poets refuse to use punctuation at all. I have no antipathy towards such a practise. I am not against the language or grammar changing (I have said this regularly). My question was, is changing for the worse? You might say that the spelling of the word "knight" is counter-intuitive but there is a reason for retaining its spelling. That is why it should not be changed. But in fact I dont really care. My concerns are that the only invective that a teenager can produce is "gay" or "wrecked".
Also, what I said about the word "and" is correct. You just can't acknowledge that fact that you were wrong.
Originally posted by Conrau KBeing called 'stupid' by you is like being mocked by a blind man for having to wear spectacles.
I tend to believe that my command of the English language is quite proficient. You're just angry that I called you stupid. 😛
I have only ever made a few spelling errors which are completely understandable.
Your spelling mistakes are only understandable in the context of you being slightly stupid yourself (imagine not being able to spell 'grammar' or 'sentence'...).
And your posts continue to make little sense. As I have a few spare minutes I will quote a couple of examples...stay tuned.
Originally posted by Conrau KRead slowly (you probably do anyway, with your lips moving and your face screwed up in intense concentration). Does your sentence (that's sentence) make sense?
Beginning a sentance with "and" is often discouraged because "and" is a conjunction word between used to connect ideas contained within the sentance.
Originally posted by Conrau KHmmm. Is what changing for the worse? It doesn't grammatically make sense.
My question was, is changing for the worse?
Also, what I said about the word "and" is correct. You just can't acknowledge that fact that you were wrong.
You are complaining that someone hasn't acknowledged he was wrong. How do you spell 'grammar' again?