26 Jan 06
Originally posted by Rajk999Now who's making assumptions?!?
You are saying the if the prime aim (priority) is profit, the enterprise is by definition 'evil'. By that definition virtually all businesses in the west are 'evil'. If we relax your assumption and include secondary goals and 'by-products' of the 'evil' enterprise, you will find that they are good - they provide jobs, make products, provide services, donate ...[text shortened]... RISK TAKING society becomes a bunch of lazy bums laying on the beach drinking Coronas.
Where do you get that propaganda ridden bullcrap from? I already said that the profit motive is not in itself evil. The way it is structured to legally into buisinesses ALLOWS it to subjugate any social or human rights interests. I've got news for you: that includes YOURS.
Which eloquent philosopher said that last bit? Was it McCarthy in one of his most profound rants explaining why Communism would destroy the world? Perhaps it was some NeoThatcherite economist explaining why following a privatised health service model like in the U.S. would provide better care because it would be more 'efficient'? Milton Freidman a favourite of yours?
Choose your allies wisely here! These people will sell your labour rights for a buck and your human dignity for 50c.
27 Jan 06
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Originally posted by TomPIf businesses use their power (and money) to override important social and human rights issues then thats clearly the fault of the government. And maybe you can refer to them as evil for neglecting to do their duty.
Now who's making assumptions?!?
Where do you get that propaganda ridden bullcrap from? I already said that the profit motive is not in itself evil. The way it is structured to legally into buisinesses ALLOWS it to subjugate any social or human rights interests. I've got news for you: that includes YOURS.
Which eloquent philosopher said that last y here! These people will sell your labour rights for a buck and your human dignity for 50c.
Your views are clearly slanted in favour of communism, and in my opinion communism is the most EVIL (no definition required) of all of mans concoctions.
27 Jan 06
Originally posted by invigorateYou aren't the first to put that idea forward. Ask the Russians about how that idea worked for them.
The root of all evil is Religion.
Most of the power struggles and conflict are based on Religion. The pretence of an afterlife excuses crimes commited in this life. Religion prevents independent thinking.
27 Jan 06
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Originally posted by twhiteheadThis is just about the dumbest thing I've ever seen in written form.
Evolution does not guarantee "evil". It often results in a delicate balance between cooperative behaviour (Good) and selfish behaviour (evil)
However humans as a species are now subject to new forces of evolution such as cultural evolution and also due to globalization some aspects of evolution are unique to our situation and it is not possible to predict the outcome. It may depend on random chance.
You are saying that a strong chick who is "selfish thus evil" pushes her weaker sibs from the nest and kills them so she can get all the food is a bad thing?
Jeez! Nature is about the most evil force in the universe then. Who'd a thunk it?!
And further... you are saying that a "selfish" human who gets rich and donates billions to charity is "evil"? Wow!
And all ants and bees (see definition.. 'Cooperation' for picture of an ant and/or a bee) are "(Good)"?
That's a stretch I think. I have personally met hundreds of ants that are pure evil. Especially when "they wanta my pic-a-nik-a ranger Smith".
Evolution is just a process of nature. I don't see how a conscious being can attribute either "good" or "evil" to it.
08 Feb 06
Originally posted by Rajk999I am not a communist, I am an objective observer and analyst. Adam Smith, so frequently invoked as the father of capitalism would have disowned Milton friedman where he stood, alongside anyone else that believed that people should serve markets and not the other way around. The rights being undermined by the plundering capitalist hordes may include your childrens, when the assets of the environment are finally stripped bare and the last tree has been cut down and sold for a buck. How will you justify the fruits of your ideology to them?
If businesses use their power (and money) to override important social and human rights issues then thats clearly the fault of the government. And maybe you can refer to them as evil for neglecting to do their duty.
Your views are clearly slanted in favour of communism, and in my opinion communism is the most EVIL (no definition required) of all of mans concoctions.
08 Feb 06
Originally posted by TomPI thought this thread was dead.
I am not a communist, I am an objective observer and analyst. Adam Smith, so frequently invoked as the father of capitalism would have disowned Milton friedman where he stood, alongside anyone else that believed that people should serve markets and not the other way around. The rights being undermined by the plundering capitalist hordes may include your childre ...[text shortened]... has been cut down and sold for a buck. How will you justify the fruits of your ideology to them?
Anyway .. The whole purpose of the capitalist system was to improve material quality of life, by forcing resources into production that was the most profitable. That system (if you claim to be objective) you must admit has succeeded beyond the wildest imagination of any 19th C theorist, while other systems have failed miserably. The sole reason for its success is the drive to make profit or 'greed' as you would call it. This is what you are saying can (or will) eventually destroy the earths resources, at some future date.
I think youare wrong. What you are not factoring in is the importance of the will of the people. The same greedy capitalism thrives on an educated and trained population and on the free flow of information and ideas. At every moment when there is/was a threat to the forest, the air quality, the wildlife, the natural resources and reserves, the ozone layer, the rights of the people, employment etc etc, people have stood up and have had their say.
There are certainly exceptions, but decisions that affect a capitilist state are made by all interested parties and not only by the profiteering enterprises.