What will happen in Iraq .......

Originally posted by Smider
I do not believe that the war is over oil at all. if you disagree with this comment i'll have you remember 9/11....

And 9/11 relates to Iraq in what way? Oh, that's right. They don't.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Let's invade Australia! They might invade the United States in 500 years!

Would you grow up you little twit?


Also, the Constitution says that parts of the Constitution can be modified. Because all the situations possibly imaginable cannot have restrictions put on them. The authors could not think of everything that could possibly ever happen.

Originally posted by Smider
another point the majority of the citizens of the US voted for Bush. if you elect someone stick with him. you may not like his decision but it isn't yours.

Actually, in 2000, Bush was not elected by the majority of Americans. Get your facts straight, dude.

Theoretically, our leaders act with us in mind; in other words, they are supposed to listen to us and do what we want. We elected them, after all. But, obviously, it's showing more and more to be just a theory. 😕

Originally posted by Smider
i may be wrong about them teaming up... but how does the government get info to their citizens? through the media who have the power to change somethings.

I can defintely see we disagree in so many areas.

The media wasn't responsible for misleading the U.S. They reported what they were given, and they were given misleading information by the government. Surely you've realized that...

Originally posted by Smider
Would it be different?! Of course it would! Would you feel that way you had foreign soldiers running through your backyard? Also, how could we possibly ever pull out if they were in America? It would be up to Saddam Hussain to pull his troops out. Because if it wasn't for us, he would still be in power slaughtering his people. Or is that what you want? Becau ...[text shortened]... t just walk away now, we must establish a government for them first. Would you agree with that?

Sure, it's good that we removed Saddam, but we should have thought of the consequences of doing so before we invaded so we wouldn't end up like we are today, sitting around waiting for nothing to happen.

Yes, we should set up a government, but how do you think we will accomplish that? What do you think we have been trying to do for the past year(s)? It's not going to work, I'm afaid.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Most people here in the forums know me to be pro-US, but this is one of the statements that cause many people to dislike Americans.

For your information, Americans do not "...own the world pretty much ..". You need to stop making stupid statements like that and give people some reason to like you instead of dislike you further.

Also, Americans do not " ...[text shortened]... d assist poorer nations whenever it can, WITHOUT asking for or expecting anything in return.

Agree 100%. Well said.

Originally posted by wittywonka

The media wasn't responsible for misleading the U.S. They reported what they were given, and they were given misleading information by the government. Surely you've realized that...

This statement is not true.

Originally posted by lepomis
This statement is not true.

It's not true about all issues, but it was true about the information given suggesting a relation between Osama and Saddam.

Originally posted by wittywonka
It's not true about all issues, but it was true about the information given suggesting a relation between Osama and Saddam.

You might be right on that one 🙂

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Are you sure? Where is that in the Constitution?

The fact that we help people does not mean we are morally obligated to do so.

Maybe I should have used the term "social responsibility". Some people have a problem with the term morals because it has religious implications. And the word 'responsibility' does not mean you have to do it. It simply means what is right and just. I say the US govt (and almost all govts for that matter) disagrees because their policy includes taking from the wealthy and giving to the less fortunate. The progressive taxation system and generous grants to poor countries is proof of that.

Originally posted by wittywonka
Actually, in 2000, Bush was not elected by the majority of Americans. Get your facts straight, dude.

Theoretically, our leaders act with us in mind; in other words, they are supposed to listen to us and do what we want. We elected them, after all. But, obviously, it's showing more and more to be just a theory. 😕

then how did he win? hmmm... when you elect someone you elect them to make decisions for you.

Originally posted by wittywonka
Sure, it's good that we removed Saddam, but we should have thought of the consequences of doing so before we invaded so we wouldn't end up like we are today, sitting around waiting for nothing to happen.

Yes, we should set up a government, but how do you think we will accomplish that? What do you think we have been trying to do for the past year(s)? It's not going to work, I'm afaid.

I'm not the one who devises the plans for success, that's the Pres. job.
for the past years we have been setting up a government. our duty as citizens is to support our soldiers over seas no matter what, if you disagree become a soldier and get off your butt.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Douchebag, I want to get those soldiers back to their mommies. You're the one who wants them to sit out there and get blown up by IEDs. I support the troops by respecting their lives and limbs.

They don't want to stick around either. The troops agree with me precisely:

89% of reserves and 82% of those in the National Guard said the U.S. sh ...[text shortened]... Moyne College’s Center for Peace and Global Studies

http://www.iraqanalysis.org/info/55

the men over in Iraq believe we should be there, they've seen the real side of the story and know why their fighting. sure they would love to come home but they are fighting for their family's freedom everywhere they go. if they didn't want to be there they wouldn't have joined the military. maybe one of the reason they want to get home is so they can be supported for their choices. i don't believe for a second that those poles are true.

but if those poles were true maybe it's because. 1% of all marines are in the war. some brave others support them. then there is also the others who don't know what it's like. and stick with the again "loudmouthed citizen."

Originally posted by Smider
then how did he win? hmmm... when you elect someone you elect them to make decisions for you.

We are a democratic republic, not a pure democracy. Ever heard of the electorial congress? We vote, and congress (theoretically) votes according to how the people in their district voted.

Also, you are right, we elect leaders to make decisions for us, but they are supposed to make decisions based on what is in our best interests.

Originally posted by Smider
I'm not the one who devises the plans for success, that's the Pres. job.
for the past years we have been setting up a government. our duty as citizens is to support our soldiers over seas no matter what, if you disagree become a soldier and get off your butt.

Where did I say that I didn't support the troops? Get off your own butt and think before you (speak) type next time.

There's a major difference in supporting our soldiers and supporting the war. Why do you think thousands of Americans, including me, want the troops to withdraw? Because we are just sending more and more troops in there with no plan or reason.