Originally posted by Omnicronmmm, why do you think i agree with obama?
The only problem with Obama's logic here (and zeeblbot's) is that the US didnt create the potential for ethnic genocide in the Congo (the DRC now).
The US did however create the potential for ethnic genocide in Iraq, by removing Saddam, and is hence responsible for preventing it.
as an aside, since 1500 AU (african union) peace keeping troops have
...[text shortened]... ethink how many soldiers it requires to screw in a light bulb, or maybe which soldiers to use.
If we leave now Iraq will be a mess. If we leave in 5 years Iraq will be a mess. If we leave in 20 years Iraq will be a mess. If we stay 20 + years Iraq will be a mess. The only difference is that if we leave now mothers and their children will not cry themselves to sleep every night, less innocent people will be killed or disabled (mentally and physically) and maybe the USA will be more careful in the future to invade other countries and focus on their own home problems like Katrina. Our own military helicopter pilots were not allowed to save Katrina victims because their contract was only valid for overseas conflict. Hello?? Our military can risk their life in Iraq, but not help
Americans???
Originally posted by lolitaknightI believe there are Constitutional safeguards against the military acting inside the country to prevent a military dictatorship. I can't give you specifics without spending more time looking it up than I am willing to do right now though.
If we leave now Iraq will be a mess. If we leave in 5 years Iraq will be a mess. If we leave in 20 years Iraq will be a mess. If we stay 20 + years Iraq will be a mess. The only difference is that if we leave now mothers and their children will not cry themselves to sleep every night, less innocent people will be killed or disabled (mentally and phy ...[text shortened]... verseas conflict. Hello?? Our military can risk their life in Iraq, but not help
Americans???
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThere is the posse comatatus act. ( bad spelling)
I believe there are Constitutional safeguards against the military acting inside the country to prevent a military dictatorship. I can't give you specifics without spending more time looking it up than I am willing to do right now though.
Originally posted by ivanhoeI think Iraq will become a secular country like Iran, if not some extension of Iran itself.
Many Americans want the US to withdraw their troops from Iraq.
I am surprised that those in favour of this policy and opposing the Bush administration for not having a good plan to be implemented after the Iraq invasion, do not present a plan for, or at least an analyses of, what will happen to Iraq and the region after the troops have left.
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The bloodshed will continue till the secularists have wiped out all opposition.
It is a lose-lose situation for the allies. They are hated by two thirds of the population and not trusted by the whole population. We should leave now, or at least withdraw from the cities where an army is useless. In the countryside at least an army can defend itself. It is not a police force.
I think Russia will try to get both Iraq and Iran into its sphere of influence and rapidly distance itself from the west.
We are in for an interesting few decades people.
May commonsense prevail on all sides.
Originally posted by lordhighgusA secular country like IRAN?!
I think Iraq will become a secular country like Iran, if not some extension of Iran itself.
The bloodshed will continue till the secularists have wiped out all opposition.
It is a lose-lose situation for the allies. They are hated by two thirds of the population and not trusted by the whole population. We should leave now, or at least withdraw from th ...[text shortened]... west.
We are in for an interesting few decades people.
May commonsense prevail on all sides.
The American invasion of Iraq was run according to a poorly concieved plan implemented by incompetent, ignorant and arrogant people, a fact to which testifies the current situation. To support that plan only untill too many American soldiers have failed to come home alive is testimony to either mindboggling hypocracy, a total absence of foresight, or a shocking spinelessness, all of which, it might as well be said, underpin the general american public's dedication to a childlike fantasy of themselves as morally correct world leaders.
I think it's to Bush's credit that he's sticking in there. But here's a few ideas that I think might have made for a less disgusting mess.
1. Teach all of your troops the local language before sending them in.
2. At least try to give liberated Iraqis the same rights and privileges that US citizens have at home (this idea follows that traditionally teritory annexed by a war means that the citizens that live therein become the responsibility of the victor state)
3. Don't use radioactive ammunition.
Originally posted by pawnmojoThe American invasion of Iraq went flawlessly. The American occupation of Iraq is a different issue.
The American invasion of Iraq was run according to a poorly concieved plan implemented by incompetent, ignorant and arrogant people, a fact to which testifies the current situation. To support that plan only untill too many American soldiers have failed to come home alive is testimony to either mindboggling hypocracy, a total absence of foresight, or a shoc ...[text shortened]... erein become the responsibility of the victor state)
3. Don't use radioactive ammunition.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungExcellent ATY, one of your more lucid moments.
The American invasion of Iraq went flawlessly. The American occupation of Iraq is a different issue.
Invasion = Military directed the military.
Occupation = Politicos direct the military.
No brainer to deduce the problem there.