23 Jul 07
Originally posted by ChessJesterOh, indeed it isn't, climate change, even today has many factors affecting it, but the science simply says that over the past two centuries or so, human activity has been the primary cause.
Yeah I'm not sold on the idea that climate change is entirely man-made...
23 Jul 07
Originally posted by ZahlanziRemember the consensus thread? I tried the whole looking at his evidence thing (page 7, very top of it) but after more than two weeks am still waiting for a reply, despite constant reminders.
might be easier to prove spasti is an idiot if you take the links he posted and comment on them.
It's really just a case of fingers in his ears and singing la la la.
23 Jul 07
Originally posted by agrysonI would agree that we are accellerating it... but we did not create it. It is the accelleration of the process which would cause the most damage...
Oh, indeed it isn't, climate change, even today has many factors affecting it, but the science simply says that over the past two centuries or so, human activity has been the primary cause.
23 Jul 07
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Originally posted by ChessJesterHo hum, depends what you mean, in the short term (next few hundred years or so) we wouldn't expect any significant shift in global mean temperatures. So pretty much the entire short term effect is man made. There are three things: the greenhouse effect, climate change, and global warming.
I would agree that we are accellerating it... but we did not create it. It is the accelleration of the process which would cause the most damage...
The greenhouse effect is tendency for water vapour, carbon dioxide, and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere to trap heat which would otherwise escape into space and is a good thing in moderation as without it global temperatures would be significantly below zero.
Climate change occurs anyway over large periods of time. Before the industrial revolution the thing that most affected the make up of gases in the troposphere, is the presence of life (there wasn't any oxygen in the atmosphere before about a billion years ago) and depending on which species are around and other factors like volcanic activity and mountain formation (mountain erosion takes CO_2 out of the atmosphere so the formation of mountain ranges affects the composition of the atmosphere) mean temperatures move around.
Global warming is the current observed tendency of mean temperatures to increase. The argument is about whether it is antropogenic (ie. man made). The observed rise in mean temperatures over the last 50 years cannot be explained without the human contribution of climate forcing emissions (CO_2, methane, etc.). NASA provide a good FAQ on the earth observatory website: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Study/GlobalWarmingQandA/
01 Aug 07
Another fine example of bully-boy tactics used to silence "dissent" on global warming:
"EPA Chief Vows to Probe E-mail Threatening to
'Destroy' Career of Climate Skeptic":
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=04373015-802a-23ad-4bf9-c3f02278f4cf&Issue_id=
01 Aug 07
Originally posted by SpastiGovThe last gasp of the exhausted.
The last gasp of the defeated!
But fear not wonky, because help is on its way. Help to bring you back into the light:
http://personals.galaxyinternet.net/tunga/OSGWD.htm
You could kill a person with your trash rant, Spastic.
Like a broken record of a screaming baby.
01 Aug 07
Originally posted by wittywonkaPoor wonky! Is your lip trembling because I took away your comfort rug? Like I said, don't worry so much because the sky is always falling Chicken Little.
The last gasp of the exhausted.
You could kill a person with your trash rant, Spastic.
Like a broken record of a screaming baby.
01 Aug 07
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Originally posted by Esotericlmao! Gee what a clever come back! I've realised you guys descend into emotive diatribe when you can't handle the heat (excuse the pun).
You do realise you make yourself look like the village idiot on these forums don't you?
Give it up guys. You've lost the fight and missed the boat. You look like fools for jumping on the AGW bandwagon! But I realise you only did so because it was the latest fashion and you're simply not clever enough or brave enough to think things through for yourselves. But the pendulum is swinging back the other way, just like it did in the seventies when the "consensus" was of a coming ice age.
Losers.
01 Aug 07
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Originally posted by SpastiGovHuman induced global warming has science on it's side, you only have opinions. Enough said, debate over.
lmao! Gee what a clever come back! I've realised you guys descend into emotive diatribe when you can't handle the heat (excuse the pun).
Give it up guys. You've lost the fight and missed the boat. You look like fools for jumping on the AGW bandwagon! But I realise you only did so because it was the latest fashion and you're simply not clever enough or b ...[text shortened]... just like it did in the seventies when the "consensus" was of a coming ice age.
Losers.
01 Aug 07
Originally posted by EsotericYou sound just like that loonie Al Gore because that's what he said: 'Debate is over because science is on our side'. Interesting what you losers call "science". So far it's been nothing but conjecture and wild assumptions back up by emotive hype and fashion-following interspersed with the odd re-hash of tired and worn out cliches. That's science to you then? Oh and you've got Al Gore on your side as well. What a liability that clown must be!
Human induced global warming has science on it's side, you only have opinions. Enough said, debate over.
Keep up the good work!
01 Aug 07
Originally posted by SpastiGovYou are an hysterical idiot. I doubt you have even read any scientific journals on the matter. Any calm rational person who actually looks further into the matter besides reading stupid "blog" websites and opinions from right-wing oil tycoons can see the science behind what is being said.
You sound just like that loonie Al Gore because that's what he said: 'Debate is over because science is on our side'. Interesting what you losers call "science". So far it's been nothing but conjecture and wild assumptions back up by emotive hype and fashion-following interspersed with the odd re-hash of tired and worn out cliches. That's science to you th ...[text shortened]... ore on your side as well. What a liability that clown must be!
Keep up the good work!
And for your knowledge, I haven’t even see the Al Gore movie on Climate Change. I haven’t even really heard anything he has to say about it because he is a no-body over here.
Being a hysterical, incessant ignoramus who posts mounds of easily discredited and non-scientific "papers" on a scientific subject does not win a argument. You have lost and you will continue to lose the argument and no amount of overexcited posting on this forum will change that fact.
01 Aug 07
Originally posted by SpastiGovLol. You have no legitimate facts, studies, models, statistics, or anything even resembling cold, hard evidence. You simply have opinionated rants. So you have resorted to name-calling and finger-pointing. Nice job with the debating there, Spastic.
You sound just like that loonie Al Gore because that's what he said: 'Debate is over because science is on our side'. Interesting what you losers call "science". So far it's been nothing but conjecture and wild assumptions back up by emotive hype and fashion-following interspersed with the odd re-hash of tired and worn out cliches. That's science to you th ...[text shortened]... ore on your side as well. What a liability that clown must be!
Keep up the good work!