"When Science Becomes Treason"

Originally posted by Wajoma
Again with the slicing up of time to suit his tales.

Originally posted by Wajoma
Who do we listen to? You with your lawn growing experiments or a mathematician with 6 years full time paid experience in the field.

The temp was cooler in 75 than 40, this represents a cooling with a few ahem anomalies thrown in.

Originally posted by Wajoma
The temp was cooler in 75 than 40, this represents a cooling with a few ahem anomalies thrown in.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
But the temperature did not cool for 25 years. It cooled over a much shorter period and simply did not warm (probably due to global dimming). The two are not synonymous.

Originally posted by Wajoma
Personally I couldn't care less, the point was to show your twisting and squirming, and you responded as expected, good show.

Look at the graph again, they give yearly and the 5 year mean, what would the 10 year mean look like, or a 15 year mean, each time the graph would be smoothed out until eventually it indicated a 30 year cooling period, use a greater span of time and the cooling period would level out (as you selectively claim it to be) then keep going and the dip would disappear all together.

You maintained your position, and that is of a snake.

Originally posted by Wajoma
Look at the graph again, they give yearly and the 5 year mean, what would the 10 year mean look like, or a 15 year mean, each time the graph would be smoothed out until eventually it indicated a 30 year cooling period, use a greater span of time and the cooling period would level out (as you selectively claim it to be) then keep going and the dip would disappear all together.

You maintained your position, and that is of a snake.

If you really want to play it that way. The graph shows 3 cooling periods in the 40 - 75 period, and not the single 5 year cooling period then leveling that you claim.

Can't have it both ways scottish, try to define your position F FS.

Edit: Again, I'm not concerned at all with the ups and downs, it's happened before and will continue long after I'm gone, but your writhings, well, haha.

And if we use the 1 year mean there are 5 distinct coolings in that period.

Originally posted by Wajoma
If you really want to play it that way. The graph shows 3 cooling periods in the 40 - 75 period, and not the single 5 year cooling period then leveling that you claim.

Can't have it both ways scottish, try to define your position F FS.

Edit: Again, I'm not concerned at all with the ups and downs, it's happened before and will continue long after I'm gone, but your writhings, well, haha.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
Correlations and trends do not mean that every single data point follows the relationship, but that the majority do. Irrespective of the individual data points, or of the cyclic phenomenon (such as the 11 year sunspot cycle) which must be superimposed and rationalised, the long term trend is one of warming - and rapid warming at that.


[edit' real ...[text shortened]... the best you can do? Why are you unwilling to debate the graph as a whole, the entire trend?]

Originally posted by Wajoma
That is what my point is. Instead of a 1 year mean or a 5 year mean, you now want to use the 50 year mean or 100 year mean. You select a period of time that happens to suit your faith and discard everything else as being anomalies. This all came up by you saying that Dr David Evans was a liar.

Answer this one question: According to the graph was the earth cooler in 1975 than 1940?

Originally posted by scottishinnz
Yes. But that does NOT mean that there was a "cooling trend" within that time.


And one for you. According to the graph, was the temperature higher in 1990 than 1890?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6929668.stm

Originally posted by Wajoma
scottish says: "Yes. But that does NOT mean that there was a "cooling trend" within that time."

Twist and squirm scottish, twist and squirm. Did Dr David Evans say anything about "cooling trend". Why did you use quotation marks here, who are you quoting?

scottish says:[i] "He states that between 1940 and 1975 the temperature decreased. THIS IS A these dates? Is this diversion from you lodging your foot in your mouth? again?