Who lives where- how to decide? POLL

Originally posted by Merk
And if the middle east goes "nuculer" I wouldn't be so sure that much of anybody will survive. Israel would be gone for sure. Israel does have what is called the Samson option. That option is nuking everything. They have never said it officially, but I suspect they have the warheads to do it.

Not only that, but their theatre missile defense us getting bette ...[text shortened]... ming. Not that it will matter if they nuke everybody around. That will take care of them too.

Merk says: "Again. The right of return absolutely is a non starter"

Your consistent use of terms like 'non-starter' illustrates the basic problem in the ME. Terms like that are used when you don't want to negotiate. There are no non-starters. Israel is already a diverse society with 20pct Arab citizens. 1-200,000 additional Pals wouldn't make any difference, but you insist it's a non-starter.

As far as payments to the Pals go, I don't care who writes the check., it would probably be the US taxpayer as usual but I'd rather have my money go to something positive than for cluster bombs for the Israelis.

Your statement about no Palestinians having their land expropriated is truly amazing, sort of the mirror image of Holocaust denial.

Also: "Israel does have what is called the Samson option"

The Samson option is the product of a perverse mind. The fallout would murder millions utside the ME and probably cause a nuclear winter killing millions more. Jews worldwide would suffer terrible revenge... a ruly sick, sick concept.

Stop talking about non-starters and get with the peace process..

Originally posted by jakejjk
Merk says: "Again. The right of return absolutely is a non starter"

Your consistent use of terms like 'non-starter' illustrates the basic problem in the ME. Terms like that are used when you don't want to negotiate. There are no non-starters. Israel is already a diverse society with 20pct Arab citizens. 1-200,000 additional Pals wouldn't make any diffe ...[text shortened]... ck, sick concept.

Stop talking about non-starters and get with the peace process..

First and foremost, you can tell me to get on with the peace process all you want. I don't make Israeli policy.

Bottom line on right of return is that the Jews don't want Palestinians in Israel. Reread my post, it clearly states that right of return is the single overriding issue in Israel, not the overriding issue for me personally. My use of the term non starter is of no significance to the Israeli governments stand on the issue. Again, let's be clear on this point, I don't make Israeli policy!

On the Sampson option, my point was that if the Jews get nuked, there's a chance that the Arabs won't survive either. I never supported the Sampson option. Even if I did, it wouldn't make any difference because, I DON'T MAKE ISRAELI POLICY!

I never said that no Palestinians got displaced, stop twisting my words. I said it was Britian and the U.N. that are responsible for the bulk of it.

Now, on to this little gem. "Probably the U.S. Will cut that check." as an American voter, this is one place that I do have a voice in policy. No way will I ever go along with American taxpayers paying a people for a land that we didn't take from them.

Originally posted by Merk

Merk says: "I DON'T MAKE ISRAELI POLICY!"
I understand that, but you certainly seem to be trying to justify it, or at least you're playing the role of apologist for Israeli brutality and land theft.
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Merk says: "I never said that no Palestinians got displaced, stop twisting my words. I said it was Britian and the U.N. that are responsible for the bulk of it."

You've probably seen this quote from Moshe Dayan about how Israel acquired land:

"It went this way: We would send a tractor to plough someplace where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was."

This refers to the Golan Heights, but this basic philosophy of how to acquire land was the basic tactic used to reduce the land occupied by the Palestinians by 80% to that which they now occupy:

1. Encroach upon someone else's land to provoke a violent reaction.
2. If no rection is forthcoming, encroach some more.
3. When the reaction comes, strike with massive force, occupy the land and claim to the world that you were the victim who now has to keep the land for "self defense".

So it wasn't the British or the UN, it was the swindling tactics of the Israelis, which continue to this day.
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Merk says: "No way will I ever go along with American taxpayers paying a people for a land that we didn't take from them"

But you have no problem with your tax dollars supplying the Israelis with cluster bombs which are still killing and maiming Lebanese kids.
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