Who lives where- how to decide? POLL

Originally posted by knightmeister


I'll give you a little clue here- one of these answers is embedded in a modern 21st Century concept of human rights , dignity and multiculturalism. The other concept is embedded in a history of religious hatred and racism and has parallels with Nazi Germany amongst others.

Hmmm - tricky isn't it?

Tricky?....not in the least bit. Biased/Prejudiced?...of course!

Originally posted by knightmeister
I was born in the UK this gives me some human rights based on where I was born , but it's not because of my race or religion. If you are able to decide where you live at will then you are probably very rich or powerful. But can I ask you would you feel you have the right to displace me from my home because where I live has special religious significance to you or because I was white/black?

I'm "rich" in the sense that i'm American and have made a comfortable living for myself.
I'm "powerful" in the sense that i'm American and was taught to take responsibilty for my actions .. to "DECIDE" for myself.

I don't feel I have any right to displace you from your home .. but if I decided to do so, I would.

Originally posted by SALADIN
you are missing the point... its the killing of the Arabs that is winding everyone up..

That's true, Saladin, but don't forget the killing of innocent Jews by Kytusha [sic?] rockets fired by Hizbollah. The fact that Hizbollah started the current conflagration, at the behest of Iran and Syria, is a considerable reason why Arabs are dying.

Originally posted by chancremechanic
That's true, Saladin, but don't forget the killing of innocent Jews by Kytusha [sic?] rockets fired by Hizbollah. The fact that Hizbollah started the current conflagration, at the behest of Iran and Syria, is a considerable reason why Arabs are dying.

lets agree to dis-agree about that

Originally posted by abejnood
I am very well aware of the project of Isreal. Isreal was created to be a solution for both Europe and the United States, as Europe wisshed to rid itself of all the Jews and the US wished to create and outpost to disrupt the Middle East and let its presence be felt there, consequently making sure that oil remains cheap and affordable. The state of Isreal is ...[text shortened]... ry to what one might think, peace and harmony can not fight off sheer brutal force and power.

"Peaceful Religion"? I thought GB had the task of setting up the Jews in Palastine; where do you get U.S. involvement? If we wanted cheap oil back in '48, we simply would have occupied Saudi Arabia on the pretense that we were protecting them from a Soviet invasion, as we have occupied Germany for 60 years. I think the Saudis asked the U.S. to stay because of our oil-drilling expertise, thus Standard Oil Company, Shell, British Petroleum, etc. drilled the oil, lined the Sheiks' pockets with oil-money while the rest of the middle east ran on 'Camel-Power', and as a result gas was cheap. If the rich Arab oil-producing countries had shared the initial wealth with its fellow Muslim neighbors, perhaps there wouldn't even be a conflagration between Israel and Hisbollah.

Originally posted by SALADIN
lets agree to dis-agree about that

Then you are a biased Muslim with hatred for Jews just because they are 'Jewish'...no better that the KKK for hating Blacks because, well, they are "Blackish".....😲

Originally posted by chancremechanic
Then you are a biased Muslim with hatred for Jews just because they are 'Jewish'...no better that the KKK for hating Blacks because, well, they are "Blackish".....😲

not really.....

Originally posted by chancremechanic
'''' If we wanted cheap oil back in '48, we simply would have occupied Saudi Arabia on the pretense that we were protecting them from a Soviet invasion, as we have occupied Germany for 60 years. I think the Saudis asked the U.S. to stay because of our oil-drilling expertise, thus Standard Oil Company, Shell, British Petroleum, etc. drilled the oil, lin ...[text shortened]... neighbors, perhaps there wouldn't even be a conflagration between Israel and Hisbollah.[/b]

interesting point... you are quite knowledgeable you know chancremechanic.... why do your spoil it all sometimes with other silly simpleist comments?

Originally posted by SALADIN
not really.....

Well, until you give me a better reason to not believe you hate Jews than "not really", which, in my book, is a lame answer, I'll continue to believe you to simply be a "Jew-hater" as a lot of Muslims simply are. You probably hate Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, et.al. too, eh?

Originally posted by SALADIN
interesting point... you are quite knowledgeable you know chancremechanic.... why do your spoil it all sometimes with other silly simpleist comments?

Because life demands 'silliness' sometimes....but ALWAYS truthful silliness.....😀

Originally posted by chancremechanic
Well, until you give me a better reason to not believe you hate Jews than "not really", which, in my book, is a lame answer, I'll continue to believe you to simply be a "Jew-hater" as a lot of Muslims simply are. You probably hate Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, et.al. too, eh?

well you know very well Muslims respect the 'people of the book' you are just saying that to wind up the rest of the forum!!!

Originally posted by SALADIN
well you know very well Muslims respect the 'people of the book' you are just saying that to wind up the rest of the forum!!!

ROFLMAO!!!!!....I guess Zarqawi just luuuved the 'people of the book' while sawing their heads off with a Ginsu-knife, except it was dull! Once again, your answer is lame....throw me some chum...try to set the hook!

Originally posted by jammer
Unless you are a child, or a total nimrod, you ARE where you've decided to be.
Does someone else make these type decisions for you?

10,000 Mexicans are gathering at the border right now waiting for the sun to go down .. they've decided they want to live somewhere else.

Israel is a Country because people decided to make it so about 60 yrs ago.
A bunch ...[text shortened]... over it ever since.
Until someone can take it away from them .. the issue has been decided.

Ok , I've decided I am going to live in your house and dispossess you. Why?, because I want to. I'm going to find you and arm myself to the teeth and if you resist then watch out . I belong in your house and that's all there is to it. It has special significance to me. When I come knocking you won't be able to argue morals with me. Don't even think of telling me how you were born there or point out that I have never been to your land before. Just hope your gun is bigger than mine.

Is this really the world you want or do you have any concept of human rights? Subsribing to a world view of "might is right" is Ok until someone turns up with a bigger gun than you. Israel did not 'become' a country 60 years ago , it was already populated and had a population all of it's own centuries old. The problem was the people living there didn't have the power or money that the Zionists did. They had a bigger wallet and in the end a bigger gun. So unless you are a billionaire who can afford to lock himself behind security fences and hire his own private army you had better show more respect to human rights , otherwise your philosophy might bite you in the bum one day.

Originally posted by jammer
I'm "rich" in the sense that i'm American and have made a comfortable living for myself.
I'm "powerful" in the sense that i'm American and was taught to take responsibilty for my actions .. to "DECIDE" for myself.

I don't feel I have any right to displace you from your home .. but if I decided to do so, I would.

So you 'deciding' to do something takes precedent over whether you feel you have the right to or not. Just YOU deciding makes it right? Or are you not at all bothered whether you are in the right or wrong ?

Ever wondered why America is hated so much? Once China becomes stronger than you we'll soon see you appealling to a more rigorous morality than this. It easy to talk like this when you are top of the pile. There are countless millions out there who don't have the ability to just 'take' when they feel like it. There also millions of us who would chose not to take even if we wanted to because we hold ourselves accountable to a higher morality. This is the TRUE meaning of taking resposibility for your actions.

Originally posted by knightmeister
Ok , I've decided I am going to live in your house and dispossess you. Why?, because I want to. I'm going to find you and arm myself to the teeth and if you resist then watch out . I belong in your house and that's all there is to it. It has special significance to me. When I come knocking you won't be able to argue morals with me. Don't even think of ...[text shortened]... espect to human rights , otherwise your philosophy might bite you in the bum one day.

"Ok , I've decided I am going to live in your house and dispossess you."
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I've decided not to let you.

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"When I come knocking you won't be able to argue morals with me. Don't even think of telling me how you were born there or point out that I have never been to your land before. Just hope your gun is bigger than mine."
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I won't argue. My gun(s) are big enough and more importantly .. i'm willing to use them to "undecide" you.


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"Is this really the world you want or do you have any concept of human rights?
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Either/Or?
Either I agree with your view of the World .. or I have no concept of human rights?
FUAH
The "World I want" (ideal) is meaningless in the face of the World as it is (real).
As a human you have only the rights you are able to defend.
You want my house? .. come and get some! We will both discover just how bad we want that house .. and if it's worth fighting for


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" So unless you are a billionaire who can afford to lock himself behind security fences and hire his own private army you had better show more respect to human rights , otherwise your philosophy might bite you in the bum one day."
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No security fences here, just a door with me behind it, and the truth is, i'm quite comfortable with my philosophy.
We all get bit once in awhile .. some of us bite back, others lay down and roll over.

I choose to live in the real World and work toward the ideal.