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07 Aug 22
08 Aug 22
@no1marauder said? Well, Marauder, I guess I can conversely say that your version of racism is stereotyped , etc etc. And you said what "I think all blacks believe'. Whaaaaaaat?? Did I mention blacks, or race, for all that matter,? Is that you Suzianne??
Your version of "culture" is a stereotyped, racist view of what you think all blacks believe. It fools no one.
The actual "culture" of US blacks is virtually indistinguishable from whites regarding crime i.e. they are against it and they are disproportionate victims of it.
@AverageJoe1
Has everyone noticed that no one has stated why (soft on crime) all the criminals ar being allowed back on the street, and all the shoplifters are allowed to STEAL goods from my Uncle Morty's dry goods store, without arrest?
Why do libs not answer uncomfortable questions? Like, would it be better to live in Taiwan than China? Do you know how silly and pansy you all look?
Should not criminals be locked up, pay for their crimes?
And you got Marauder answering a post about culture by writing abut a different concept, the concept of race? Are y'all for real? I think I will go read some of Sonhouse's old posts.
08 Aug 22
@averagejoe1 saidEver considered just reading a book that doesn't come with a complimentary pack of crayons?
@AverageJoe1
Are y'all for real? I think I will go read some of Sonhouse's old posts.
08 Aug 22
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@averagejoe1 saidDo I really need to get into this? God damn.
@AverageJoe1
Has everyone noticed that no one has stated why (soft on crime) all the criminals ar being allowed back on the street, and all the shoplifters are allowed to STEAL goods from my Uncle Morty's dry goods store, without arrest?
Why do libs not answer uncomfortable questions? Like, would it be better to live in Taiwan than China? Do you know how silly and p ...[text shortened]... ept, the concept of race? Are y'all for real? I think I will go read some of Sonhouse's old posts.
Right:
- what is the cause of the crime?
- what’s been done to tackle the cause?
- which crimes have actual human victims?
- which punishments suit which crime?
- do you punish someone for feeding their kids or someone with psychological problems?
- if not, what do you do then?
- Why do you protect certain criminals?
- why do you muddy the waters between criminals and soldiers?
The list of questions you need to ask yourself is a lot longer still.
If someone’s poor and steals because of that, is a fine going to make them poorer? Does that solve the problem?
If someone is locked up because of theft because they are poor, does the remaining family have more or less chance of getting stuck in poverty?
If you lock people up, are they more or less likely to bump into positive role-models?
Do you want to punish people, no-matter-what? Or do you want to create a safe and healthy society to function in? Which would you prefer?
@shavixmir
You assume people only commit crimes because they are poor?
The world has plenty of bad people just because they are bad.
Plenty of people in prison who had money.
You also assume that people want to be good and live in a happy world.
Well I got news for you about that...
Some people just want to see the world burn.
...or they just don't give a fuk and they steal because they want to...
Y'all seem to think its always someone trying to feed their kids and that is laughable cliche bullshyt.
08 Aug 22
@averagejoe1 saidRather than complain about politicians being soft on crime, look into what is driving crime in the first place. Look at causes instead of symptoms. Violent crime in America surged 30% during the pandemic, and 75% of that was gun-related. Police departments across the land are overwhelmed with hot cases and officers are retiring early and quitting in droves. This is nothing to do with liberal or conservative politics. This is a nation becoming collectively ungovernable.
https://abc7chicago.com/san-francisco-attack-asian-woman-beaten-in-sf-attacked-by-four-people-elderly-kicked-head/12093778/
What is your endgame? This is all because of liberals. Do y'all know people who do this? 10 cretins in NYC committed a total of 550 of the crimes there
https://apnews.com/article/gun-violence-covid-health-police-2b1f9d8dce1fe3acbb1c5e3910d39e09
08 Aug 22
@beowulf saidNo. That is not what I wrote.
@shavixmir
You assume people only commit crimes because they are poor?
The world has plenty of bad people just because they are bad.
Plenty of people in prison who had money.
You also assume that people want to be good and live in a happy world.
Well I got news for you about that...
Some people just want to see the world burn.
...or they just don't give a fuk a ...[text shortened]... ll seem to think its always someone trying to feed their kids and that is laughable cliche bullshyt.
I used poverty as one example. As well psychiatric problems… as examples.
There are multitudes of reasons for people misbehaving. The questions remain.
08 Aug 22
@shavixmir saidSo you are OK with people breaking the law, let them go, and you seem to think that people who are poor should be allowed to break the law with no consequence???
Do I really need to get into this? God damn.
Right:
- what is the cause of the crime?
- what’s been done to tackle the cause?
- which crimes have actual human victims?
- which punishments suit which crime?
- do you punish someone for feeding their kids or someone with psychological problems?
- if not, what do you do then?
- Why do you protect certain criminals? ...[text shortened]... er-what? Or do you want to create a safe and healthy society to function in? Which would you prefer?
08 Aug 22
@beowulf saidThumb up for Beowulf. Shav, would you be a bit more specific about what you think would be a perfect world? Your post definitely leans to allowing people, whoever they are, to do what they want to do. And I notice you left out the cretins who beat the hell out of old ladies. Yeah, they are probably poor. So what?
@shavixmir
You assume people only commit crimes because they are poor?
The world has plenty of bad people just because they are bad.
Plenty of people in prison who had money.
You also assume that people want to be good and live in a happy world.
Well I got news for you about that...
Some people just want to see the world burn.
...or they just don't give a fuk a ...[text shortened]... ll seem to think its always someone trying to feed their kids and that is laughable cliche bullshyt.
Personally, people who are poor, except for the 40M destitute, want to be poor. In this country, no one has to be poor. But, I digress. So tell us, Shav. Geeez.
08 Aug 22
@moonbus saidNothing to do with lib politics? The libs have decided to put criminals on the street. Don't get you there.
Rather than complain about politicians being soft on crime, look into what is driving crime in the first place. Look at causes instead of symptoms. Violent crime in America surged 30% during the pandemic, and 75% of that was gun-related. Police departments across the land are overwhelmed with hot cases and officers are retiring early and quitting in droves. This is nothing to ...[text shortened]... le.
https://apnews.com/article/gun-violence-covid-health-police-2b1f9d8dce1fe3acbb1c5e3910d39e09
Hey,, your taxes are about to go up, everyone. Biden lied.
08 Aug 22
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@shavixmir saidWho mentioned reasons??? Beowulf, did you mention reasons? A bit of liberal-eze to water down the issue, Shav.
No. That is not what I wrote.
I used poverty as one example. As well psychiatric problems… as examples.
There are multitudes of reasons for people misbehaving. The questions remain.
Yeah, you are right, If I am poor and steal a loaf of bread like Jean val Jean did, I guess I can have a foolproof defense.....I am POOR,, so it is legal to steal the bread. I had a REASON! Libs. Jesus.
08 Aug 22
@averagejoe1 saidThat’s right. Ignore the questions and the actual issues.
Who mentioned reasons??? Beowulf, did you mention reasons? A bit of liberal-eze to water down the issue, Shav.
Yeah, you are right, If I am poor and steal a loaf of bread like Jean val Jean did, I guess I can have a foolproof defense.....I am POOR,, so it is legal to steal the bread. I had a REASON! Libs. Jesus.
Just lock ‘em up and throw away the key, eh?
How’s that working out for you? Highest prison population in the world, mass shootings every week, drug crimes, etc.
Your “system” sure seems to be creating a better society to live in, doesn’t it?
08 Aug 22
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@shavixmir saidApparently he thinks everyone arrested for a minor crime should rot in jail indefinitely.
That’s right. Ignore the questions and the actual issues.
Just lock ‘em up and throw away the key, eh?
How’s that working out for you? Highest prison population in the world, mass shootings every week, drug crimes, etc.
Your “system” sure seems to be creating a better society to live in, doesn’t it?
Bail reform was implemented for a pretty simple reason; neither NY or any other state has the jail capacity to keep everyone arrested in jail until trial even if it was allowed by the Constitution (which it isn't). This isn't being "soft on crime"; it's recognizing A) Reality and B) The 8th Amendment.