12 Feb 23
@averagejoe1 saiddumbass, a bill of rights doesn't detail how it's to be paid for. where the houses should be built for every freaking country on the planet.
Good God Almighty. Are you for real? Shav said some time ago that everyone has a right to housing.
All of you have referred to your posted declaration.
You seem to be presenting the Declaration as the answer to my question. OK,,So, tell us, where in there is the provision which provides for free housing? Who is providing the Free Housing? Where is the Housin ...[text shortened]... laim, simply tell us who gives such right, and in what capacity?
It either is, or, it ain't.
It's an intent. It's up to each of the governments how or even if they should implement it, to their own ability.
Your government obviously doesn't believe it is a right. I and the un declaration of human rights say it is.
"If you continue to make this claim, simply tell us who gives such right, and in what capacity? "
https://world-habitat.org/news/our-blog/helsinki-is-still-leading-the-way-in-ending-homelessness-but-how-are-they-doing-it/#:~:text=Finland%20was%20an%20early%20adopter,for%20as%20long%20as%20needed.
"Recent reports from Finland has shown that €15,000 a year is saved for every homeless person in properly supported housing, considering the cost that would be otherwise incurred through emergency healthcare, social services and criminal justice involvement."
You don't have to tell me this won't work in the US. We know damn well you're more incompetent than the finns and lack the will to do it
Bulldozers to clear out homeless people's tents are way more cost effective
Bills against the homeless get passed all the time. for them? not so much
"It either is, or, it ain't."
That's idiotic. You break rights all the time. That doesn't mean they magically disappear for everyone. Free speech, freedom, they aren't respected by every government, to varying degrees. Housing is no different.
Finland (and others) believes it is a right and is working on upholding it for their citizens (Finland committed to eradicating homelessness by 2027). The US believes homeless people should be put in jail if they show their dirty faces in the nice parts of town
@zahlanzi saidzahlooney bamboozle for brains, if you're referring to article 25, it says you have a right to a house but nowhere does it say others must provide it. I have right to drive a Maserati, are you going to pay for it. Forcing someone to provide a house for others would be in contravention of article 17.
dumbass, a bill of rights doesn't detail how it's to be paid for. where the houses should be built for every freaking country on the planet.
It's an intent. It's up to each of the governments how or even if they should implement it, to their own ability.
Your government obviously doesn't believe it is a right. I and the un declaration of human rights say it is.
"If ...[text shortened]... ieves homeless people should be put in jail if they show their dirty faces in the nice parts of town
UN dec of human rights is so shot through with contradictions and undefined terms it's useless.
12 Feb 23
@zahlanzi saidOhhhhhhhhhh, I must have misread it. I thought it was quite clear that it is a right. An unqualified right, since it has no strings attached.
dumbass, a bill of rights doesn't detail how it's to be paid for. where the houses should be built for every freaking country on the planet.
It's an intent. It's up to each of the governments how or even if they should implement it, to their own ability.
Your government obviously doesn't believe it is a right. I and the un declaration of human rights say it is.
"If ...[text shortened]... ieves homeless people should be put in jail if they show their dirty faces in the nice parts of town
Do I see you attaching strings here.? In liberal-eze fashion? The person with the right has to go find 'how it is to be paid for"?
Am I the dumbass here?
I LOVE this....'your govt doesn't believe it is a right". You are thus saying our government does not give away housing. Brace yourself for this link!
The right to adequate housing is a human right that everyone is entitled to without discrimination. However, in Romania, the right to housing is not effectively recognized or protected by national legislation. This often leaves people without access to justice for the human rights violations that they experience. In this document Amnesty International calls on the Romanian government to amend the Housing Law to bring it in line with international and European human rights standards. Local authorities are urged to stop all forced evictions.
12 Feb 23
@averagejoe1 said"Do I see you attaching strings here.?"
Ohhhhhhhhhh, I must have misread it. I thought it was quite clear that it is a right. An unqualified right, since it has no strings attached.
Do I see you attaching strings here.? In liberal-eze fashion? The person with the right has to go find 'how it is to be paid for"?
Am I the dumbass here?
I LOVE this....'your govt doesn't believe it is a right". Yo ...[text shortened]... ional and European human rights standards. Local authorities are urged to stop all forced evictions.
What strings.
"The person with the right has to go find 'how it is to be paid for"?"
wtf are talking about. Each society, when it's not busy proposing meaningless crap like "condemn socialism" or giving tax cuts to the uber rich, should and must set aside from their budget to ensure no citizen sleeps outside a roof, no citizen goes hungry, no citizen is refused healthcare. That's what it means to respect rights.
"I LOVE this....'your govt doesn't believe it is a right". You are thus saying our government does not give away housing. Brace yourself for this link!"
I am bracing myself. Whenever you're ready.
Whatever the us government provides it's too little and offset by all the rest of the measures that treat homeless like vermin.
"However, in Romania..."
Well if you want to be a dumbass and compare the largest economy to Romania, be my guest. It's not like anyone has any respect left for your intelligence (lack of) that they could lose any
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@zahlanzi said“Well if you want to be a dumbass and compare the largest econom”y to Romania”
"Do I see you attaching strings here.?"
What strings.
"The person with the right has to go find 'how it is to be paid for"?"
wtf are talking about. Each society, when it's not busy proposing meaningless crap like "condemn socialism" or giving tax cuts to the uber rich, should and must set aside from their budget to ensure no citizen sleeps outside a roof, no citizen go ...[text shortened]... . It's not like anyone has any respect left for your intelligence (lack of) that they could lose any
too fukin dumb to see HOW AND WHY it is the “largest economy”
12 Feb 23
@mott-the-hoople said"too fukin dumb to see HOW AND WHY it is the “largest economy”"
“Well if you want to be a dumbass and compare the largest econom”y to Romania”
too fukin dumb to see HOW AND WHY it is the “largest economy”
Exploiting several groups of people across its history while being shielded from 2 world wars and meddling into the affairs of other countries in order to steal their resources.
All so you can become the largest economy in the world, not the country where most of its citizens have the highest standard of living.
Am I getting close?
12 Feb 23
@zahlanzi saidUhh, I don't know what these screeds have to do with the issue. You know, your screed abut exploiting or some such. How about your screed above and my answer to it? You say "Your government (USA) doesn't believe it is a right".
"too fukin dumb to see HOW AND WHY it is the “largest economy”"
Exploiting several groups of people across its history while being shielded from 2 world wars and meddling into the affairs of other countries in order to steal their resources.
All so you can become the largest economy in the world, not the country where most of its citizens have the highest standard of living.
Am I getting close?
I gleefully sent you an article about how your country has fallen way behind in even considering these problems. Hypocrisy at its best. You pretend to not have seen it, in your face, my post above, about 4 clicks from the top.
Settle, man. You people get so angry, and WAAAAY of subject. exhausting.
12 Feb 23
@zahlanzi saidNot really. Best example is that we could have taken over Iraq oil after we dragged the vermin Saddam out of his spider hidey-hole. we didn't.
"too fukin dumb to see HOW AND WHY it is the “largest economy”"
Exploiting several groups of people across its history while being shielded from 2 world wars and meddling into the affairs of other countries in order to steal their resources.
All so you can become the largest economy in the world, not the country where most of its citizens have the highest standard of living.
Am I getting close?
12 Feb 23
@averagejoe1 saidHey!!! Witness Zahlanzi deftly changing the subject to something other than admitting that housing is not a right.!! Why don't libs admit defeat?
Not really. Best example is that we could have taken over Iraq oil after we dragged the vermin Saddam out of his spider hidey-hole. we didn't.
13 Feb 23
@averagejoe1 saidha the dumb tree that keeps producing dumbnuts.
Not really. Best example is that we could have taken over Iraq oil after we dragged the vermin Saddam out of his spider hidey-hole. we didn't.
Common, say the other one, US was just concerned for the iraqis and wanted to give them democracy
@averagejoe1 saidyou're replying to your own posts now?
Hey!!! Witness Zahlanzi deftly changing the subject to something other than admitting that housing is not a right.!! Why don't libs admit defeat?
I was replying to the other imbecile's question and you decided to butt in. Then you had a short circuit and started talking to yourself
13 Feb 23
@zahlanzi saidSo true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oet62-F2Q9c&ab_channel=SomeMoreNews
For those that won't click the video it can be summed up by this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_theory
In the Discworld series of novels, Sam Vimes is the curmudgeonly but incorruptible captain of the City Watch of the medieval city-state of Ankh-Morpork. The boots theory comes from a passag ...[text shortened]... d still have wet feet. This was the Captain Samuel Vimes "Boots" theory of socioeconomic unfairness.
Renting costs more than repaying a mortgage
Being poor affects health
Growing up with poor parents can mean growing up with stressed parents
Having experiences like day trips, theatre trips and meals out gives children more impressions of their society with helps them work out how they'll fit into it/ create a living in their adult life
Having parents who were educated, parents who function well and have a wider circle of friends and acquaintances all give a richer start for children.
This is where the Green Party have worked out a solution that I think has great potential, give all children the same great start with private school standard education.
@zahlanzi saidYeah looks that way, I should have said that you 'avoid' questions that you cannot answer. Sorry, hope I didn't affect all the creds that you have been piling up. Plus, I have difficulty keeping you and Shav apart.
you're replying to your own posts now?
I was replying to the other imbecile's question and you decided to butt in. Then you had a short circuit and started talking to yourself
For the record, you have never answered my query, does everyone have a right to housing? You replied to the other imbecile, but not to me? 😢
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13 Feb 23
@averagejoe1 saidOh, you christian... no, it isn't.
And for the record, 'little feller' is quite the term of endearment where I come from.