16 Oct 09
Originally posted by FMFSo to correct an accidental pregnancy you believe it is ok to end a life? Is that what you are saying?
How did you decide this? Presumably you want to pass laws about "sex" and about "her right to choose" and all the rest. Upon what do you base your specific opinions and why should anyone else pay you the slightest attention? What imperative drives you to think that your analysis should be the basis of any law? And, er... what has "well what if she is raped?" got to do with this?
Oh, but let me guess. You are against the death penalty which might end the life of a murderer.
16 Oct 09
Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenHow about you answer any one of my questions first, all of which were offered in good faith and without rancour, and did not warrant your tart and taunting response. Do you not have any other level other than that on which you can converse?
So to correct an accidental pregnancy you believe it is ok to end a life? Is that what you are saying?
Oh, but let me guess. You are against the death penalty which might end the life of a murderer.
16 Oct 09
Originally posted by FMFcan you converse without trying to impress us with your word selections..
How about you answer any one of my questions first, all of which were offered in good faith and without rancour, and did not warrant your tart and taunting response. Do you not have any other level other than that on which you can converse?
My answer is simple, i'm not trying to pass a law, i'm stating my opinion which is the same thing you do. We are talking about an accidental pregnancy--the solution to which should not be some sort of bail out abortion. Someone makes the choice to perform an act that can easily end up in a pregancy should take some responsibility for said action. Correct? Or are you not for people taking any personal responsibility?
16 Oct 09
Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenNo we are not talking about an "accidental pregnancy". We are talking about a woman's right to choose. You're not trying to pass a law. Good. You are stating your opinion. Good. The difference between my opinion and yours is that, in the U.S. and the UK at least, my opinion is consitent with upholding the rule of law, and yours is not. Good luck to you. Let's hope common sense and morality prevail.
My answer is simple, i'm not trying to pass a law, i'm stating my opinion which is the same thing you do. We are talking about an accidental pregnancy
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Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenThat may be the case for your neighbor but there are going to be different experiences for different people in different parts of the USA. To say that your neighbor's experience is 100% indicative of the adoption process as a whole is in error, yet that's what you are claiming in your absurd charge that I'm in error. I am making no such unilateral claims.
My next door neighbor has adopted 3 children in the past 2 years. They youngest was 18 months old. They wanted to adopt a newborn but couldnt because the demand was too high and they didn't want to wait.
16 Oct 09
Originally posted by Badwateri put forth stats that support the common sense arguement that most foster kids are older, not infants. A newborn is easy to get adopted. Please provide some proof that it is hard to have a new born adopted.
That may be the case for your neighbor but there are going to be different experiences for different people in different parts of the USA. To say that your neighbor's experience is 100% indicative of the adoption process as a whole is in error, yet that's what you are claiming in your absurd charge that I'm in error. I am making no such unilateral claims.
16 Oct 09
Originally posted by FMFcommon sense and morality would argue for pro-life. But, you never answered my questions. Are you not for personal responsibility? or do you think it is fine for one to abort their own accident?
No we are not talking about an "accidental pregnancy". We are talking about a woman's right to choose. You're not trying to pass a law. Good. You are stating your opinion. Good. The difference between my opinion and yours is that, in the U.S. and the UK at least, my opinion is consitent with upholding the rule of law, and yours is not. Good luck to you. Let's hope common sense and morality prevail.
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16 Oct 09
Originally posted by SleepyguyYes, but it takes both sides of the adoption equation for it to work. There are both sides to the adoption, not just the position of the mother and newborn. All I'm saying is that it's not as clear-cut as you'd like to represent.
The adoption process is a hard slog, yes. But that's from the point of view of the adoptive family, who has to first get a birth mother to find them worthy, come up with the money, travel in many cases, wait months for the birth and dodge the bullet of the birth mother changing her mind, endure background checks and surprise visits from social workers, hi ...[text shortened]... with the adoption. But she's not going to have trouble finding someone to adopt her newborn.
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Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenLet's not talk hypotheticals; let's talk about a real instance for a moment.
common sense and morality would argue for pro-life. But, you never answered my questions. Are you not for personal responsibility? or do you think it is fine for one to abort their own accident?
An ex of mine became pregnant. Unfortunately, around the time of conception she contracted chicken pox and I had a viral infection that nearly killed me.
It was clear from the first images that the fetus was not right; it was quite deformed. We aborted. We made the right choice, and it's too bad that circumstances necessitated that choice. I would make that choice again in the same circumstance. I am grateful that we had the right to make that choice.
Now you can go back to your what-ifs.
16 Oct 09
Originally posted by BadwaterWell, I'm not trying to misrepresent anything, or downplay the potential difficulties with adoption. It's a long, involved, emotional process for sure. My point is there are many more adoptive families waiting for newborns than there are newborns available (at least in the US). So, from a sheer supply/demand perspective it's not very difficult for a birth mother to find an adoptive family for her baby if she doesn't want an abortion. I'm not sure what part of that you disagree with.
Yes, but it takes both sides of the adoption equation for it to work. There are both sides to the adoption, not just the position of the mother and newborn. All I'm saying is that it's not as clear-cut as you'd like to represent.
16 Oct 09
Originally posted by Badwaterwhy do pro-choice people always bring up exteme/rare examples. I was specifically talking about accidental pregnancies in which one decides (for no other reason than convienance) to have an abortion. That example happens every single day.
Let's not talk hypotheticals; let's talk about a real instance for a moment.
An ex of mine became pregnant. Unfortunately, around the time of conception she contracted chicken pox and I had a viral infection that nearly killed me.
It was clear from the first images that the fetus was not right; it was quite deformed. We aborted. We made the right choi ...[text shortened]... grateful that we had the right to make that choice.
Now you can go back to your what-ifs.
To your example, are you saying that every person ALIVE today that has a deformity is worthless and should have been aborted?