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25 Jan 22
@no1marauder saidIt's excusable that you Yanks haven't paid much attention to Putin's agressive rethoric and invasions - and yes, it mainly is him and his cult of personality, not Them Red Russians. It is completely inexcusable that you are unwilling to believe those of us who are sitting closer to the fire.
Gee, I had no idea that this grotesque level of paranoia had survived the fall of the USSR.
25 Jan 22
@shallow-blue saidOh, and I thought you were here to debate. Don't have the balls for it?
If you think Chrushev had the same psychopathic personality as Putin, you are deluded. Putin is like Stalin, not like Chrushev.
25 Jan 22
@no1marauder saidThe Soviet advance into Europe in the wake of WW2 will never happen today.
Gee, I had no idea that this grotesque level of paranoia had survived the fall of the USSR.
The Russians willing and anxious to sweep to the Channel sounds soooooooooooo 1950.
Information is spread instantly unlike in the 50's.
But the threat is still real.
Russia will advance into the Ukraine, not in one fell swoop like 1945, but in a series of "Crimea's".
Which is why Biden's "minor incursion" remark spooked the Ukraines like it did.
25 Jan 22
@metal-brain saidThat would be correct
Right, like the Cuban missile crisis was not about nukes. Turkey had nothing to do with it, right?
Learn some history. The US put nukes in Turkey. That is what started the whole thing.
@vivify saidCouldn't agree more.
I'll agree if this is not a U.S.-led effort. If Putin is really such a threat that needs to be stopped, surely the European members of NATO will rise up and initiate the fight.....right?
Let Europe decide that this is an urgent issue, not the U.S.
But the lazy shiftless and very clever Euros will sit there on their thumbs, because they know
that if they continue to do nothing, Uncle Sucker will come bombing in
25 Jan 22
@no1marauder saidmind meld.
Gee, I had no idea that this grotesque level of paranoia had survived the fall of the USSR.
The Russians willing and anxious to sweep to the Channel sounds soooooooooooo 1950.
that's a first, I believe.
25 Jan 22
@shallow-blue saidIf you are sitting "closer to the fire" then it should be y'all that has the most interest in putting the fire out
It's excusable that you Yanks haven't paid much attention to Putin's agressive rethoric and invasions - and yes, it mainly is him and his cult of personality, not Them Red Russians. It is completely inexcusable that you are unwilling to believe those of us who are sitting closer to the fire.
@earl-of-trumps saidTo be clear, I'm not arguing from the standpoint of "it's your problem, deal with it". We should absolutely defend our NATO allies. My issue is that the U.S. jumps into too many wars.
Couldn't agree more.
But the lazy shiftless and very clever Euros will sit there on their thumbs, because they know
that if they continue to do nothing, Uncle Sucker will come bombing in
If Europe decides to defend itself from Russia, of course we should help. But let Europe take the lead on defending its borders. The US took the lead against Libya and the aftermath was an absolute disaster, one still being felt to this day.
The US will probably insist on making this personal since Russia is involved. We just gotta show 'em how goddamn tough America is. It's absurd.
25 Jan 22
@averagejoe1 saidIt is laughable how many violent crimes and murders are blamed on “pacifist” liberals.
@vivify
It is laughable, liberals, mostly being pacifist, weighing in on war strategy and tactics.
Cant wait to get Jiiiinmmm opiniot, or did he already give one
25 Jan 22
@earl-of-trumps saidYes. France backed by Germany and the rest of the EU should take charge of this situation, not the USA.
Nato and other euro countries have a much bigger obligation to defend Ukraine than America.
Dig in, lazy euros
25 Jan 22
@shallow-blue saidAdvancing your front line to give extra depth to your defense has justified many offensive campaigns including Imperial Japan and today’s Russia.
Belarus is already a Stal... sorry, Putinist satelite state. No need to march in there, Lukashenko will just let them take the presidential train.
I do agree with you that taking over Ukraine would mean gaining military advantage that could be used to attack Europe; but that's the purpose of NATO, which Ukraine is not part of.
It's called "defense in d ...[text shortened]... ically, it's better to prevent a problem outside your own borders than to defend them on the inside.
25 Jan 22
@metal-brain saidThat was tit for tat - nukes in Cuba exactly paralleling nukes in Turkey.
Right, like the Cuban missile crisis was not about nukes. Turkey had nothing to do with it, right?
Learn some history. The US put nukes in Turkey. That is what started the whole thing.
No, this is not like that.
25 Jan 22
@mghrn55 saidBecause Russia can annihilate the USA and North Korea cannot.
The US is a country with 5% of the world's population consuming 25% of the world's natural resources.
This disproportionate consumption which is probably the main driver of America's economic power leads to anti-American sentiment.
Now we have a situation where a country like China is challenging the US for a share of this consumption.
Of course, America will try to contai ...[text shortened]... not a local problem.
America has no issues protecting S Korea.
So why the fuss about the Ukraine ?
25 Jan 22
@vivify
You do realize it is not just the US defending Ukraine? Spain just sent four fighter jets over there. What did we give? AMMO.
Do you seriously think Putin will stop at just the Ukraine? Latvia, Lithuania are rightly worried. Does it matter to you Putin wants the old Soviet empire back?
Does it surprise you?
The threat of Biden to stop electronic chips to Russia maybe be useful but it seems to me it would just invite former allies into the game, China makes chips and I would bet dollars to donuts they would LOVE to step in and provide them with all the chips they want.
So I guess you are ok with Russia attacking sovereign nations not strong enough to defend themselves.
Tell me, why are there no Russian troops say near Germany for instance?
Could it POSSIBLY be they smell a weak nation and are acting on it.