Why should the U.S. defend Ukraine?

@vivify said
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/22/libya-and-the-myth-of-humanitarian-intervention/

"fifth anniversary week of the U.S.-led Libya intervention"

https://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-us-libya-20140627-story.html

"the United States didn’t do more to mend Libya, since the U.S.-led military campaign had broken the old order."

I've always thought it was agreed the U.S. led a disastrous effort that failed to plan for the recovery of the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya

21 February 2011: Libyan deputy Permanent Representative to the UN Ibrahim Dabbashi called "on the UN to impose a no-fly zone on all of Tripoli to cut off all supplies of arms and mercenaries to the regime."[40]
23 February 2011: French President Nicolas Sarkozy pushed for the European Union (EU) to pass sanctions against Gaddafi (freezing Gaddafi family funds abroad) and demand he stop attacks against civilians.
25 February 2011: Sarkozy said Gaddafi "must go."[55]
26 February 2011: United Nations Security Council Resolution 1970 was passed unanimously, referring the Libyan government to the International Criminal Court for gross human rights violations. It imposed an arms embargo on the country and a travel ban and assets freeze on the family of Muammar Al-Gaddafi and certain Government officials.[56]
28 February 2011: British Prime Minister David Cameron proposed the idea of a no-fly zone to prevent Gaddafi from "airlifting mercenaries" and "using his military aeroplanes and armoured helicopters against civilians."[45]
1 March 2011: The US Senate unanimously passed non-binding Senate resolution S.RES.85 urging the United Nations Security Council to impose a Libyan no-fly zone and encouraging Gaddafi to step down. The US had naval forces positioned off the coast of Libya, as well as forces already in the region, including the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise.

19 March 2011: French[73] forces began the military intervention in Libya, later joined by coalition forces with strikes against armoured units south of Benghazi and attacks on Libyan air-defense systems,

@AThousandYoung
NOBODY is launching nukes over Ukraine.

This logic of "spheres of influence" for the five veto holding SC members is part of what is behind Russia's current actions i.e. Russia is operating inside it's "Sphere of control" because the USSR was much further west than Russia is

@vivify said
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/22/libya-and-the-myth-of-humanitarian-intervention/

"fifth anniversary week of the U.S.-led Libya intervention"

https://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-us-libya-20140627-story.html

"the United States didn’t do more to mend Libya, since the U.S.-led military campaign had broken the old order."

I've always thought it was agreed the U.S. led a disastrous effort that failed to plan for the recovery of the country.

@no1marauder said
Gee, I had no idea that this grotesque level of paranoia had survived the fall of the USSR.

The Russians willing and anxious to sweep to the Channel sounds soooooooooooo 1950.

@vivify said
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/22/libya-and-the-myth-of-humanitarian-intervention/

"fifth anniversary week of the U.S.-led Libya intervention"

https://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-us-libya-20140627-story.html

"the United States didn’t do more to mend Libya, since the U.S.-led military campaign had broken the old order."

I've always thought it was agreed the U.S. led a disastrous effort that failed to plan for the recovery of the country.

@shallow-blue said
That doesn't really mean anything, though. American commentators to this very day pretend that the USA led the Allied powers in World War II.

@kevcvs57 said
Gee I guess you do not live in Europe so it’s a non issue.
Your level of f you Jack I’m alright is noted .
It’s the Russians who have amassed 125 thousand troops on the border of the Ukraine, it’s the Russians that have demanded in writing a return to the Warsaw Pact demarcation lines in Europe.
Stop denying reality because in reality you just do not care, just admit that you do not care what happens to Europe.

@no1marauder said
I don't live in Europe.

That doesn't mean the level of paranoia you are bleating

@shallow-blue said
You don't live in Europe, therefore you do not understand that this is not paranoia.

Seriously, marauder, you are way, way out of touch with what is really happening here. You have no bleeding idea what you're pontificating about. No idea whatsoever.

For a more balanced view of the crisis: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2021-12-28/what-putin-really-wants-ukraine

"it’s crucial to note that Putin has presided over four waves of NATO enlargement and has had to accept Washington’s withdrawal from treaties governing anti-ballistic missiles, intermediate-range nuclear forces, and unarmed observation aircraft. For him, Ukraine is the last stand."

@no1marauder said
For a more balanced view of the crisis: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2021-12-28/what-putin-really-wants-ukraine

"it’s crucial to note that Putin has presided over four waves of NATO enlargement and has had to accept Washington’s withdrawal from treaties governing anti-ballistic missiles, intermediate-range nuclear forces, and unarmed observation aircraft. For him, Ukraine is the last stand."

@sonhouse said
@AThousandYoung
NOBODY is launching nukes over Ukraine.

YouTube : Caspian Report analysis of in...

According to the above Belarus has agreed to support Russia in case of war.