17 Apr 09
Originally posted by Raven69i have very little in the way of answers...
I completely disagree with you, I think the justice system in the west is far too harsh and too many people get caught in the justice net. After decades of studies and research there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that harsher punishment deters crime.
only more questions...
if harsh punishment does not deter crime, what then ought we look too???
do we (as a society) not have a responsibility to create as reasonably safe an environment for all to exist as possible???
how ought this lad be taught to act responsibly???
send him to school???
ten to fifteen years oughta give him time enuff to think about hiz crap...
rookie
17 Apr 09
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Originally posted by rookie54We should try to address the underlining social issues that are at the root of crime instead of opting for the quick fix solution of locking everyone up and throwing away the key.
i have very little in the way of answers...
only more questions...
if harsh punishment does not deter crime, what then ought we look too???
rookie
do we (as a society) not have a responsibility to create as reasonably safe an environment for all to exist as possible???
Yes.
how ought this lad be taught to act responsibly???
send him to school???
I don't know enough about the situation or the kid to suggest an exact solution. Possibly some form of restorative justice that includes community service and counceling.
ten to fifteen years oughta give him time enuff to think about hiz crap...
It should also be just enough to ruin his life.
17 Apr 09
Originally posted by Raven69And to lose any contacts he may have had within a socially healthy, non-criminal environment and replace them with contacts with other criminals to prepare him for a professional criminal career once he has served his time.
ten to fifteen years oughta give him time enuff to think about hiz crap...
It should also be just enough to ruin his life.
17 Apr 09
Originally posted by Raven69too late fer that...
It should also be just enough to ruin his life.
even tho tha boy iz young, he made an adult decision...
like a lot of boys, and i include myself as a prime example, the envelope gets pushed...
and pushed...
and pushed...
until a seam tears...
there MUST be consequences to actions...
i do not see any other way to learn responsibility...
i AM glad that wiser folks than i are in charge of this...
cuz left alone wit him...
i'd beat tha livin tar outta him...
rookie
17 Apr 09
Originally posted by gambit3constitutional right? The fool IS guilty of robbing a bank. Sure, to make the purists happy lets go to trial - no problem - But any defense attorney will pleas bargain this case. That's the problem with the system. When 100% guilty, always have that bargaining chip. However, the system was put in place for those who are accused of committing a crime when in fact they did NOT commit the crime. This is not the case for this jerk.
Any other Constitutional rights you want to take away.
17 Apr 09
Originally posted by Raven69Personally, I think he should be decapitated and it's all done and dusted then! 😀😀
I completely disagree with you, I think the justice system in the west is far too harsh and too many people get caught in the justice net. After decades of studies and research there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that harsher punishment deters crime.
17 Apr 09
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Originally posted by MrMartinYou stated no bail. Even the guilty have the right to bail in the USA. Bail is a Constitutional right is it not? P.S. It is persumed that a person is innocent until he is proven to be guilty or has admitted that he is guilty.
constitutional right? The fool IS guilty of robbing a bank. Sure, to make the purists happy lets go to trial - no problem - But any defense attorney will pleas bargain this case. That's the problem with the system. When 100% guilty, always have that bargaining chip. However, the system was put in place for those who are accused of committing a crime when in fact they did NOT commit the crime. This is not the case for this jerk.
17 Apr 09
Originally posted by gambit3If you're arrested, you're presumed innocent, and the Eighth Amendment says you have a right to be freed pending trial. The only exceptions are if a judge finds that a person is dangerous or might not show up for trial.
You stated no bail. Even the guilty have the right to bail in the USA. Bail is a Constitutional right is it not? P.S. It is persumed that a person is innocent until he is proven to be guilty or has admitted that he is guilty.
Yes, you are correct that bail is a constitional right. However, Clearly, this individual is a risk not only to society but more importantly to himself. I'm certain that the judge hearing this case will not allow bail; but place him in protective custody where he cannot harm others or himself.
17 Apr 09
Originally posted by MrMartinIn Arkansas a 13 year old cannot be tried as an adult unless the law has been changed in the last 10 or so years. I do not know about the other states law on this issue. Where did the crime in question take place?
If you're arrested, you're presumed innocent, and the Eighth Amendment says you have a right to be freed pending trial. The only exceptions are if a judge finds that a person is dangerous or might not show up for trial.
Yes, you are correct that bail is a constitional right. However, Clearly, this individual is a risk not only to society but more import ...[text shortened]... l not allow bail; but place him in protective custody where he cannot harm others or himself.
17 Apr 09
Originally posted by MrMartinHow is this "clear" to you? You don't even know the kid. You just read an article on the internet.
Yes, you are correct that bail is a constitional right. However, Clearly, this individual is a risk not only to society but more importantly to himself. I'm certain that the judge hearing this case will not allow bail; but place him in protective custody where he cannot harm others or himself.
17 Apr 09
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It's absolutely ridiculous to turn this BOY into a pariah, he obviously needs psychological help. There are no grounds to try him as an adult. Illinois state law states that any crime in which a handgun is used by a someone 15 or older must go to adult court. The same goes for sexual crimes in which the accused is at least 15 and the victim is younger than 9.
He is a child! And he never hurt anyone during the robbery!
Other interesting recent stories from Peoria, Illinois (where the robbery took place):
http://www.pjstar.com/news/x1263222144
http://www.pjstar.com/news/x86053154
The cops killed a 2 year old girl, and now they might be paid every time they arrest someone. Doesn't seem like a very nice town.