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12 Mar 23
@badradger saidThat’s been the same for at least the last 100 years.
its difficult to obtain an unbiased viev in most media oulets in the uk.
@badradger saidWhat's the alternative policy Gary Lineker and his footballing friends are putting forward?
it wont fly anyway
@fmf said3 ex footballers get to talk on TV to football spectators about football while one ex footballer gets to write short posts about things he disapproves of. Meanwhile the rest of the world moves on to the next piece of click bait while a few silly lefties claim the whole thing to be a “victory for socialism and decency”.
What's the alternative policy Gary Lineker and his footballing friends are putting forward?
Anyway, I’m glad Gary is back on match of the day next Saturday, my evening “pop” (sic) wouldn’t taste the same without his beaming smile and gentle offside witticisms.
@zahlanzi saidHe played the "Hitler Card". That makes him a fool and an embarrassment. In a counterproductive way, he's damaged the BBC and that will delight the Tories. Pushing back against the UK government's policy has most likely been undermined. All because of some historically illiterate celebrity narcissism.
That being said, good on him for having a decent stance on the matter.
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@zahlanzi saidIt is a free speech issue, The beeb has become a Tory government mouthpiece,they hate anyone in the media disagreeing with tory policies.The refugee issue is all smoke and mirrors to blnd the public from the problems really hurting the British public.
It's not a free speech issue. It's a "piss off your employer and suffer the consequences" issue.
That being said, good on him for having a decent stance on the matter.
@badradger saidThe refugee issue is real. They are actual human beings. The plan to send tens of thousands of them to one of Africa's poorest countries is a humanitarian crisis. The Tories are using the problems that are really hurting the British public to, in part, justify an atrocious policy.
The refugee issue is all smoke and mirrors to blnd the public from the problems really hurting the British public.
@badradger saidIt’s not a free speech issue, not in the slightest. People who work for corporations have to sign contracts not to say certain things, it’s normal practice all over the world. I have a contract with my employer based on the same principle. I gave up the right to say certain things when I willingly signed it.
It is a free speech issue, The beeb has become a Tory government mouthpiece,they hate anyone in the media disagreeing with tory policies.The refugee issue is all smoke and mirrors to blnd the public from the problems really hurting the British public.
The subject of the bbc being a govt mouth piece started when the corporation was founded back in the fifties. It’s always been a govt mouthpiece to some extent because it’s funded by the govt via the legally enforced licence fee. However the bcc hasn’t always been on message; during the four years leading up to Brexit the bbc was blatantly anti Brexit, it managed to get away with it because the Tory govt only has a small majority and the beeb thought that the Labour Party would get in at the next election. They blew it spectacularly and once the tories a had the clout in the commons the hammer fell.
The bbc is dead in the water imo and should be released into public ownership where it can join the likes of sky in the free market and spout whatever nonsense it chooses to and the public can make whatever they want to from it.
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@divegeester saidwhat a load of crap, of course its about free speech and as a sub contractor he obviouly has not agreed to any gagging orders if he had the beeb would have sacked him knowing they would win any legal action. a win for socialism and free speech.
It’s not a free speech issue, not in the slightest. People who work for corporations have to sign contracts not to say certain things, it’s normal practice all over the world. I have a contract with my employer based on the same principle. I gave up the right to say certain things when I willingly signed it.
The subject of the bbc being a govt mouth piece started when ...[text shortened]... ket and spout whatever nonsense it chooses to and the public can make whatever they want to from it.
14 Mar 23
@badradger saidNo. My post was completely accurate.
what a load of crap, of course its about free speech and as a sub contractor he obviouly has not agreed to any gagging orders if he had the beeb would have sacked him knowing they would win any legal action. a win for socialism and free speech.
A non disclosure or non comment clause in a willingly signed contract is not a gagging order. And yes he was under some level of obligation to refrain from commenting on party political matters. How tight the wording was/is is what is in question and why there was the debacle.
It’s not a win for anyone, especially not socialism, not the immigrants, not the BBC, not Lineker and not the Labour Party. What Lineker has said and done will have absolutely zero impact on government immigration policy and free speech for the remaining 70 odd millions of us uk citizens remains at it was, I.e. fully intact.
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@divegeester saidwrong on all counts,it brought more scrutiny to the immigration policy that even May wouldnt vote for,the public care more about the nhs,energy bills,food banks etc the so called illegals are a tory smoke screen and you know it but your so blue you cant say it.
No. My post was completely accurate.
A non disclosure or non comment clause in a willingly signed contract is not a gagging order. And yes he was under some level of obligation to refrain from commenting on party political matters. How tight the wording was/is is what is in question and why there was the debacle.
It’s not a win for anyone, especially not socialism ...[text shortened]... ree speech for the remaining 70 odd millions of us uk citizens remains at it was, I.e. fully intact.
@badradger saidNo it didn’t bring any more scrutiny at all, you’re making that up. The intense scrutiny was on the BBC, and still is.
wrong on all counts,it brought more scrutiny to the immigration policy that even May wouldnt vote for
@badradger saidthe public care more about the nhs,energy bills,food banks etc the so called illegals are a tory smoke screen and you know it but your so blue you cant say it.The public may indeed care more about other pressing matters I don’t know, perhaps you’ve checked the ONS for data on that?
The migrants are called illegal immigrants because their attempts to enter the country are illegal despite the EU (who incidentally will have refused them asylum) claiming otherwise.
I can say exactly what I want to say because like you and everyone else, I have freedom of speech.
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14 Mar 23
@divegeester saidThe tory government have made sure there are no legal routes for certain immigrant , no legal route, so to risk life and limb in small boats to get here is a desperate action....tory boy it just doesnt fit your ideology.anyway it is pointless arguing with you ,youre a hypocrite and everone on RHP knows it..
The public may indeed care more about other pressing matters I don’t know, perhaps you’ve checked the ONS for data on that?
The migrants are called illegal immigrants because their attempts to enter the country are illegal despite the EU (who incidentally will have refused them asylum) claiming otherwise.
I can say exactly what I want to say because like you and everyone else, I have freedom of speech.