18 Jul 08
Originally posted by duecerHey Union Dude!
Hey Arse H**e! like your 5 day work week? Like your paid vacation? Like your 40 hour work week with time and a half for overtime? Like safety regulations that protect you from being permantly injured on the job? Well then thank the unions...the force that helped America become the powerhouse that it is today, now shut up your face and get back to work...slacker😠
we do not do any name calling here!
I did not say that Unions have not been doing some good things in the past, but now, they are only sucking the moneis from the workers.
Look at Detroit, and Michigan, The Unions have destroyed the economy. The salaries are too high and the productivity is too low.
There has to be significant cuts in either the payrates or the number of workers. I think the car manufacturing should be exported to other countries.
Sincerely,
Harri / Luck
PS: Live Free or Die, Live Free or vote for socialism, Live Free or be an Idiot
18 Jul 08
Originally posted by Luckwell not to go too far off topic, but the reason union jobs left for overseas, is so stock holders could get a few extra pennies per share out of their investment. Companies were making money just fine while they were manufacturing here (US) but the allure of cheap labor was too much for them to resist. Those companies (like Ford and GM) that are struggling, should maybe rethink the wisdom of paying a CEO 500 times what the average worker on a factory floor makes. Japan doesn't have this problem (nor Korea) because their CEO's arn't a bunch of greedy bozo's
Hey Union Dude!
we do not do any name calling here!
I did not say that Unions have not been doing some good things in the past, but now, they are only sucking the moneis from the workers.
Look at Detroit, and Michigan, The Unions have destroyed the economy. The salaries are too high and the productivity is too low.
There has to be significant cuts in eit ...[text shortened]...
Harri / Luck
PS: Live Free or Die, Live Free or vote for socialism, Live Free or be an Idiot
18 Jul 08
Originally posted by duecerAnd is caused by the false idea that everyone should have the same pay. The Pay has to be proportional to the production level. Workers should not be paid based on seniority.
well not to go too far off topic, but the reason union jobs left for overseas, is so stock holders could get a few extra pennies per share out of their investment. Companies were making money just fine while they were manufacturing here (US) but the allure of cheap labor was too much for them to resist. Those companies (like Ford and GM) that are struggling, ...[text shortened]... pan doesn't have this problem (nor Korea) because their CEO's arn't a bunch of greedy bozo's
But Unions do not realize that the companies must be profitable, at least three years, without trying to waste the profits as pay increases.
When the companies have built up he reserves, then they can handle economic downturns without having to lay off workers. The pay increases has to have direct relationship to the productivity. When the productivity goes down, so must the salaries!
Sincerely,
Harri / Luck
18 Jul 08
Originally posted by Luckthank you for making my points for me. 40 years ago, CEO's made 10-12 times what the average floor worker made, they now make 500 times that. How is that productive? During the same 40 years, workers make less in equivelant dollars than there 1968 counterparts.
And is caused by the false idea that everyone should have the same pay. The Pay has to be proportional to the production level. Workers should not be paid based on seniority.
But Unions do not realize that the companies must be profitable, at least three years, without trying to waste the profits as pay increases.
When the companies have built up he reserve ...[text shortened]... ductivity. When the productivity goes down, so must the salaries!
Sincerely,
Harri / Luck
Your anti union arguments are tired, outdated, and downright lies.shame on you. read a darn book on the labor movement fer chrisake
The reason you pay more for seniority, is you are rewarding their experience level. same as non union shops (I've been in both)
18 Jul 08
Originally posted by duecerUnion protect lazy and unproductive workers!
thank you for making my points for me. 40 years ago, CEO's made 10-12 times what the average floor worker made, they now make 500 times that. How is that productive? During the same 40 years, workers make less in equivelant dollars than there 1968 counterparts.
Your anti union arguments are tired, outdated, and downright lies.shame on you. read a darn book ...[text shortened]... rity, is you are rewarding their experience level. same as non union shops (I've been in both)
Of course, it is an axymoron to call a union member a worker! 🙂
Export industries from Dictatorship States such as Michigan, union membership is required, long live Free America, down with Liberals!
Sincerely,
Harri / Luck