19 Jul 08
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Originally posted by LuckYou obviously know nothing about unions other than the propaganda you've been spoon fed by rush limpballs. As a shop steward, I have several times requested that my employer enforce the contract. Typically employers are the lazy ones, or have no idea how to supervise employees, and they let bad employees get away with murder, and then blame it on the union. We recently had a situation with a terrible employee that had gone on for 4 1/2 years. My employer became increasingly frustrated with the conduct of said person. When asked in the formal grievance process if they had followed the contract with verbal and written warnings, followed by increasing suspension then termination, they said they hadn't...case closed. We told the employer if they will follow the contract we would not contest his firing. They then wised up, went through the procedures, and in 6 weeks he was gone.
Union protect lazy and unproductive workers!
Of course, it is an axymoron to call a union member a worker! 🙂
Export industries from Dictatorship States such as Michigan, union membership is required, long live Free America, down with Liberals!
Sincerely,
Harri / Luck
a good union understands the need for standards of work, attendance, and conduct. Most management types have no idea how to get that out of their employees, so they blame the employee. As a union steward I invite management to stop blaming us for "lazy" employees, and enforce the contract.
19 Jul 08
Originally posted by Tyrannosauruschexthat's what I'm worried about. My boss is gonna retire in 2 years, and they expect me to take his place. The more i don't give a crap, the more they respect me...it's retarded😕
Have you ever seen the movie 'office space' - the character in that tries to get fired but ends up getting promoted to a management position because he is so cool under pressure.
20 Jul 08
Originally posted by duecerThat's what happens. I worked in the union environment, but I got tired of the idiotic union members, especially of the leadership because wanted to call meetings ONLY because they did not want to work!
that's what I'm worried about. My boss is gonna retire in 2 years, and they expect me to take his place. The more i don't give a crap, the more they respect me...it's retarded😕
I changed sides because I did not want to be associated with the lazy bloodsuckers!
Sincerely,
Harri / Luck
20 Jul 08
Originally posted by SunburntI agree, It is better than retirement!
I suggest you just work for the union, then you won't have to work, but you can get paid.
You get paid for doing nothing!
In case you do something, the Union will protect you and you will be paid for reinstatement!
Union can not afford to have ANY members who has brains!
Sincerely,
Harri / Luck
21 Jul 08
Originally posted by LuckI don't know where you worked, but if our union calls a meeting that is not part of the bargaining process, we have to attend on our own time. Also, only the negotiating committee goes to bargaining meetings, not all the members. Your bosses must have been bufoons to let them get away with that.(read my post above about poor management)
That's what happens. I worked in the union environment, but I got tired of the idiotic union members, especially of the leadership because wanted to call meetings ONLY because they did not want to work!
I changed sides because I did not want to be associated with the lazy bloodsuckers!
Sincerely,
Harri / Luck
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22 Jul 08
Originally posted by duecerThis reminded me of a time, years ago, working at Delphi Automotive in Flint, MI, I was tasked to help make a workcell auditworthy. I made repeated attempts to work with the cell "team leader", only to be told things like, "Can't you see I'm on a s s time?"
we have to attend on our own time.
Every day, I'd walk the aisles, spotting workers sleeping on whatever makeshift bed they could throw together, while their equipment ran unattended. Playing cards was a popular activity, as was heading to the local bar at lunch.
I had never seen such an attitude of entitlement, and am still amazed by the overall union mindset.
I still work in automotive. I am salaried. When you (duecer) imply salaried workers in this industry put in a 40 hour week, M-F, you are wrong. Salaried workers are expected to work (in my experience) at least 45 hours (an unwritten five hour contribution to the company,) and for most, 45 hours is a light week, with the norm between 50 and 60 hours. Unplanned travel is often a requirement, given the chaotic nature of this industry. Forget the idea of "comp time", or leaving early occasionally, as that practice is long gone for the salaried. Many salaried workers regret working salary, because of the hours worked without any type of compensation. In today's job market, it's difficult to make any type of demands up front (in salary negotiation) to make up for it.
I currently work at a nonunion facility. Our hourly workers have been approached by the union twice in the last five years, being urged to vote them in. Twice, they have voted them down. I wonder why...
