22 Jul 08
Originally posted by SJ247again I restate my position: If management knew how to do their job, and enforce the contract, you wouldn't find workers sleeping on the job, or going to bars. I would love to see a copy of the contract. I bet there is any number of provisions for firing their lazy arses, but the chicken $ h i t bosses don't have the nuts to do it.
This reminded me of a time, years ago, working at Delphi Automotive in Flint, MI, I was tasked to help make a workcell auditworthy. I made repeated attempts to work with the cell "team leader", only to be told things like, "Can't you see I'm on a s s time?"
Every day, I'd walk the aisles, spotting workers sleeping on whatever makeshift bed they could thr ...[text shortened]... ars, being urged to vote them in. Twice, they have voted them down. I wonder why...
I have also been management, and worked the 50 60 hour work week. You don't honestly think the executive VP's are putting that much time in do you? Hardly...they let middle management (a bunch of underpaid, scared of loosing their job humps) do thier dirty work.
WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!!!!!!!!!! YOU HAVER NOTHING TO LOSE AND EVERYTHING TO GAIN !!!!!
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22 Jul 08
Originally posted by duecerThat is part of the problem, the chronic fight between management and hourly. The excuse is ALWAYS "management". Workers need to take responsibility for their own productivity, and lose the attitude that they deserve 25.00+/hour and lifelong benefits, while playing cards, and enjoying "asstime". The union has given people a sense that management is the enemy, and that the union will protect them from being fired, the idea that the union is for them, and the company against them.
again I restate my position: If management knew how to do their job, and enforce the contract, you wouldn't find workers sleeping on the job, or going to bars.
22 Jul 08
Originally posted by SJ247And management sees the unions as the enemy... It goes both ways.
That is part of the problem, the chronic fight between management and hourly. The excuse is ALWAYS "management". Workers need to take responsibility for their own productivity, and lose the attitude that they deserve 25.00+/hour and lifelong benefits, while playing cards, and enjoying "asstime". The union has given people a sense that management is the enem ...[text shortened]... ct them from being fired, the idea that the union is for them, and the company against them.
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22 Jul 08
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Originally posted by PalynkaTrue enough, but managers don't (from what I've seen) sit around blaming the union on a daily basis, instead they put more pressure on their salaried underlings to come up with fixes to work around the lazy union mentality. It's a game of automating just about everything possible, eliminating as much room for human error as possible, but keeping the hourly body there to push the buttons with it's eyes closed.
And management sees the unions as the enemy... It goes both ways.
(For 25.00/hour)
22 Jul 08
Originally posted by SJ247Or moving those jobs to India for 0.25/hour.
True enough, but managers don't (from what I've seen) sit around blaming the union on a daily basis, instead they put more pressure on their salaried underlings to come up with fixes to work around the lazy union mentality. It's a game of automating just about everything possible, eliminating as much room for human error as possible, but keeping the hourly body there to push the buttons with it's eyes closed.
(For 25.00/hour)
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22 Jul 08
Originally posted by leisurelyslothI think India gets a lot of the systems/designing (salary-downsizing) jobs. China, Korea, and Mexico are getting the production jobs.
Or moving those jobs to India for 0.25/hour.
I'd like to see a Chinese worker tell her manager to find her later, she's on asstime.
22 Jul 08
Originally posted by SJ247Who let them get away with playing cards and screwing off? It would not be tolerated where I work, while nobody is standing over my shoulder making sure I do my job (or my coworkers), we generally police ourselves. if one person doesn't carry xer weight, then everyone else has to pick up the slack. The mentality that its okay to sit around and do nothing should have been nipped in the bud when it started, both by management, and by shop stewards.
That is part of the problem, the chronic fight between management and hourly. The excuse is ALWAYS "management". Workers need to take responsibility for their own productivity, and lose the attitude that they deserve 25.00+/hour and lifelong benefits, while playing cards, and enjoying "asstime". The union has given people a sense that management is the enem ...[text shortened]... ct them from being fired, the idea that the union is for them, and the company against them.
We say all the time that our union has a vested interest in the success of the employer, we let them know that. We are in effect a partnership. unfortunately, many managers also have the us vs. them mindset, and treat their workers like crap...so they get what they deserve.
22 Jul 08
Originally posted by SJ247Many Chinese workers are prisoners and virtual slaves. Its a human rights tragedy.
I think India gets a lot of the systems/designing (salary-downsizing) jobs. China, Korea, and Mexico are getting the production jobs.
I'd like to see a Chinese worker tell her manager to find her later, she's on asstime.