Originally posted by CFChaven't seen it (or the 2nd one, yet), but a very good friend of mine said it was one of the most fantastic movies she has ever seen - in fact, she got quite irritated at one of her friends who was giving a play-by-play criticism after watching it and refused to invite him to watch the 1st one again at her house 😀
Has anyone seen the 3rd one? It's amazing.
i saw the 1st one and really liked it.
in friendship,
prad
Originally posted by RussI support your views alot. I started reading the books but in the end just got bored.
I'm traditionally a bit of a 'guns and grenades' or sci-fi kind of guy, rather than 'swords and sorcery', when it comes to my entertainment. I have read most of LOTR:Book 1, but after having to read all the hippy rubbish about 'Tom Bomsomethingoranother' (thankfully cut from the film) and getting a little bit confused as characters are introduced en ma ...[text shortened]... yone who has seen Dead Alive (aka Brain Dead) knew what this man was capable of… 😉
-Russ
I also liked the way they edited the book to make it funny. For those who have seen it, do you remeber the bit when thsat battle with the elephants and Legolas and Gimli were competing (yet again😞) and then legolas killed an elephant he smiles at Gimli and Gimli ggrowls,"it still only counts as 1!".
Originally posted by CFCThat part had me cringing in my seat. In fact, most of the scenes with the pretty boy elf had that effect on me. Can anyone tell me whether Legolas said all those silly lines in the books, such as this gem from the second movie - "A crimson dawn, blood has been spilt this night...". The scene where he slid down the stairs on a shield (from TT) was plain sensationalistic rubbish too. Silly bloody elf.
I support your views alot. I started reading the books but in the end just got bored.
I also liked the way they edited the book to make it funny. For those who have seen it, do you remeber the bit when thsat battle with the elephants and Lego ...[text shortened]... smiles at Gimli and Gimli ggrowls,"it still only counts as 1!".
All told, Return of the King was an excellent ending to an excellent trilogy in my opinion. They lost their way a little in number 2, but recovered nicely. Go and see them if you haven't already. 😉
P.s. They could have also added some more scenes with Dwarves in them. You can't really go wrong with a good Dwarf scene.
Originally posted by dylHe does not. The dialogue in the third book is actually quite eloquent and was rewritten, I assume, to make it more palatable to the average movie-goer.
Can anyone tell me whether Legolas said all those silly lines in the books, such as this gem from the second movie - "A crimson dawn, blood has been spilt this night...".
Originally posted by dyli don't remember about that stuff since it's been a while since i read the trilogy.
Can anyone tell me whether Legolas said all those silly lines in the books, such as this gem from the second movie - "A crimson dawn, blood has been spilt this night...". The scene where he slid down the stairs on a shield (from TT) was plain sensationalistic rubbish too. Silly bloody elf.
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however, some of the 'retelling' i thought was brilliant. for instance, in the 1st movie they had arwen rescue frodo from the ringwraiths instead of the elf glorfindel (or something like that) - a very exciting and memorable scene - 'if you want him, come and claim him!'
in friendship,
prad
Originally posted by dylDylan
...The scene where he slid down the stairs on a shield (from TT) was plain sensationalistic rubbish too. Silly bloody elf.
All told, Return of the King was an excellent ending to an excellent trilogy in my opinion. They lost their way a little in number 2, but recovered nicely. Go and see them if you haven't already. 😉
P.s. They could have also added some more scenes with Dwarves in them. You can't really go wrong with a good Dwarf scene.[/b]
You haven't been talking to my wife have you? You could not get a more identical view lol :-)
Jay 🙂
Originally posted by Poison GodmachineI think have to disagree with you on several points here...
As much as I enjoyed this third installment, as it is closest to the books, I have to agree with this, the CGI is almost appallingly clumsy. I was also a bit disappointed with the Hollywood-ization of the scene at Orodruin/Mount D ...[text shortened]... e others, but this post is getting too long. So I'll shut up now.
"The portrayal of Denethor, Steward of Gondor, was off the mark. He's presented in the movie as an unreasonably irrational man who has simply given up. In the books, he is a toweringly noble figure who has been driven mad by a palantir. (of which no mention is made in the film).
You are right that Denethor is presented in a different way, but about the Palantir: There were seven seeing stones on Middle-Earth, al those seven Palantíri, were brought to Middle-Earth by Elendil (the Elves made them too, back in Aman), Three of these were definitely lost or destroyed: those of Annúminas (the city of the Kings of Arnor, founded by Elendil himself, in the North of Middle-Earth), Amon Sûl (Weathertop, were Frodo was stung by the Witch-King of Angmar, was once a great fortress) and Osgiliath (the city in Gondor, wich was once the Capital city of Gondor, untill it was mostly destroyed during the War of the Ring in the third age of the sun, ironicly, the stone of Osgiliath was destroyed during a Gondorian civil war).
The Stone of Elostirion in the Tower Hills (the hills west of the Shire) was taken back to Aman (the Undying Lands of the Elves) on the Ring-bearers' White Ship. The Anor-stone (Minas Tirith, the tower of guard, was once called Minas Anor, the tower of the setting sun; the name was changed after the Nazgûl took Minas Ithil, wich from then was called Minas Morgul), the one that Denethor holds in his hand when he is about to burn himself (watch closely, it's there in the movie too!) and the Orthanc-stone (Saruman used this one to communicate with Sauron, pippin looked into it and saw him, you know, when Legolas says: "He's here" ) both survived into the Fourth Age, although the one Denethor used, was never used again.
Elessar, the King, used the Orthanc-stone to save keep his lands.
The fate of the seventh, the Ithil-stone, is not completely certain. It was in Barad-dûr during the War of the Ring, and was most likely destroyed in the downfall of Sauron. The substance used to make the palantíri, though, was exceptionally strong, and there remains a very slight chance that the Ithil-stone also survived into the Fourth Age.
"Frodo and Sam are somehow back in hobbit attire after escaping from Cirith Ungol. They ought to be in Orc armor for the entire journey to Mount Doom."
This is not true, because the burden of the Ring and the endless road without food or water became so heavy, the threw away everything they had at a certain point, I can't recall the name of that point, even Sam had to get rid of his cooking tools, wich wasn't very easy for him...🙂
"There's a few other things (like Sam actually wearing the ring)"
I don't know what you mean here, but Sam indeed put the Ring on for a while, when Frodo was found by 2 Orcs (and not a troop of Orcs, as in the movie) for example.
I do agree on most of your likes though...😀
Olav
Well I could go on at length about most of my likes and dis-likes about this film. However, I'm going to try to keep it short.
Likes.
Arwen, my god is she fit. Although I didn't like the way here role was played up a lot.
Gandalf, played by Sir Ian McKellen, was brilliantly done.
The battle scenes
and finally anything not mentioned in the dis-likes as I thought it was a brilliant film.
Dis-likes.
Legolas, dammit I could just about put up with ihm in the first two films and in the books he's quite cool (yes, he does say those things, but they're in the context of the language in which the book was written). in the third film though he just constantly pissed me off.
Eowyn. Well acted through most, but I think that her encounter with the Witch King could have been better, especially were it not for the Bond-like one liner "I am no man!" it made me cringe.
Some of the scenes they cut out and the miss portrayal of some of the characters, namely Faramir and Denethor.
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Yes it is a great film, I doubt even the most ardent anti fantasy film person could not be impressed with the cavalry charge down the hill into the orcs.
Yes, its different to the books, but then it has to be due to the confines of a movie. The events from the book are all there, they have just had to re-jig some of the back story to get all these events to fit into the movie - and make sense to the average punter.
My only real gripes was with the paths of the dead, much more significant in the book than the film, as it shows Aragorn becoming the King to a greater extent.
1) He takes control of the seeing stone and takes its control away from Sauron.
2) He sees in the stone the black ships, and identifies the danger they represent.
3) He realises that the only way he can get to the ships is to take the short cut through the mountains which is the paths of the dead.
4) He is reluctant to do this, but in doing so convinces himself that he can be king. There is a real unrgency about his need to get to the ships.
5) When he takes the ships he unfurls the banner of the king to declare himself to all.
In the film it just seemed a bit "oh, you need to go that way, everything will be fine, off you go". And the army of the dead is just so good, taking out foes like a flood, you end up thinking, well if he had got there sooner all those people would have not had to die. Why does he not just walk into Mordor with them, they could have finished Saurons army off in about 15 mins at the rate they were going!
Anyway, thats my only gripe. I thought the killing of the whitch king was pretty close to the book actually.
Andrew
To be honest most of the faults people have pointed out didn't really bother me that much. Many of them are explainable because to include them would have made the film too long for the average movie goer.
The only thing that really really bugged me was the misinterpretation of Faramirs character. In the book Boromir was supposed to be the military, strong-willed of the two brothers, but who was nonetheless put under the spell of the Ring and made greedy for its power. So far so good, the film portrayed this very well (Sean Bean is a top actor in my opinion and gave a very good, but sadly short performance0. Faramir, however, was supposed to be the less military minded of the brothers, but he resisted the temptation of the Ring. He didn't want to try and take it's power and understood why it must be destroyed. In the film though, Faramir was every bit as bad as Boromir and kidnapped Sam and Frodo to take them back to Gondor.
Sorry to have gone on about this, but it bothered me as I thought it was quite an important part of the book. Boromir and Faramir where brothers who were supposed to show the good and bad within men. The film only showed the bad within both of them.