22 Jan 06
Originally posted by no1marauderYou can see all four at:
The Napoleonic Empires sounds like it might be interesting. Do you have a link to that?
http://www.lordsofconquest.com/
Or you can just go to the Napoleonic one:
http://lordsofconquest.com/napoleon/
I've only played Medieval Diplomacy and Dragonlords. They're essentially the same game, but Dragonlords adds a few extra details to the game which make for a different dynamic. They have what are known as "fiefdoms." Several provinces constitute a fiefdom. If you control all of those provinces, then you control the fiefdom and gain a great deal of extra resources. So instead of gobbling up provinces in a semi-random fashion, as in MD, you tend to go after specific ones.
Plus royal players have an extra bonus. They can take on henchmen. There is intense pressure on the commoners to formally align themselves with the royal players. The royal player can then gain revenue from the fiefdoms his henchmen control.
It's quite interesting, but not very friendly to first-time players. That's why I chose MD. I have not played either of the other two. The Napoleonic one is fairly new. They didn't used to have that one when I started playing these games.
23 Jan 06
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Originally posted by rwingettI looked at the rules for Napoleonic Empires and they are virtually identical to MD. So it's pretty much the same game system moved to another time period. Unfortunately, the NE rulebook didn't have a list of troop types and the different kingdoms so it's hard to say whether it would be sufficiently different to make playing it worthwhile. Also, only people who are Royalty in one game are allowed to join a second game (though they need not become Royalty in that game if they choose not to). Still, I might be interested in setting another game up if there's interest from people in the RHP MD game or from RHP players who didn't get into the MD game for whatever reason. Is there anybody else interested?
You can see all four at:
http://www.lordsofconquest.com/
Or you can just go to the Napoleonic one:
http://lordsofconquest.com/napoleon/
I've only played Medieval Diplomacy and Dragonlords. They're essentially the same game, but Dragonlords adds a few extra details to the game which make for a different dynamic. They have what are known as "fiefd one is fairly new. They didn't used to have that one when I started playing these games.
23 Jan 06
Originally posted by no1marauderYes, I am interested.
Still, I might be interested in setting another game up if there's interest from people in the RHP MD game or from RHP players who didn't get into the MD game for whatever reason. Is there anybody else interested?
23 Jan 06
Originally posted by no1marauderThe one game limitation is in effect for all of them. That's why I started playing Dragonlords, because I had a game of MD in progress.
I looked at the rules for Napoleonic Empires and they are virtually identical to MD. So it's pretty much the same game system moved to another time period. Unfortunately, the NE rulebook didn't have a list of troop types and the different kingdoms so it's hard to say whether it would be sufficiently different to make playing it worthwhile. Also, only pe ...[text shortened]... yers who didn't get into the MD game for whatever reason. Is there anybody else interested?
From the screen captures I looked at, it looks like Napoleonic Empires even uses the same map as MD. It seems a little too much like MD. Just different troops of an unknown type. If you wanted to play a game of Dragonlords, I might be up for it.
23 Jan 06
Originally posted by rwingettYes, since large portions of Europe did not sink into the sea and land masses did not appear in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean from 1300 to 1800, the map is the same. Unfortunately their game based on the historical conflicts on Panagea is not ready yet.
The one game limitation is in effect for all of them. That's why I started playing Dragonlords, because I had a game of MD in progress.
From the screen captures I looked at, it looks like Napoleonic Empires even uses the same map as MD. It seems a little too much like MD. Just different troops of an unknown type. If you wanted to play a game of Dragonlords, I might be up for it.
Reviewing the victory pages, it appears that only 12 players are needed for Napoleonic Empires while many more are needed for Dragonlords (I see nations on the list with the realm number "29"đ. Besides, running elves and dwarves since a little childish while it has been often said of me that I have a Napoleonic complex. So I'd still be willing to try to set it up if 10 others are interested.
23 Jan 06
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Originally posted by no1marauderNo, you chowderhead, it looks like they've got all the same province divisions and everything. They just changed some of the names to make it more compatible with the Napoleonic era. For example, they changed Frisia to Holland. Of course I can only see a small portion of the map.
Yes, since large portions of Europe did not sink into the sea and land masses did not appear in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean from 1300 to 1800, the map is the same. Unfortunately their game based on the historical conflicts on Panagea is not ready yet.
Reviewing the victory pages, it appears that only 12 players are needed for Napoleonic Emp Napoleonic complex. So I'd still be willing to try to set it up if 10 others are interested.
There seems to be 11 players for NE. They are:
Algeria
Austria
Bavaria
England
France
Naples
Ottoman Empire
Prussia
Russia
Spain
Sweden
I would be more inclined to play Dragonlords because of the additional rules. And because both times I played it I was knocked out early, so I want redemption. But Napoleonic Empires would be more managable if you wanted a dedicated RHP game. If you're organizing it, I guess you can pick whatever you want.
I found this from: http://lordsofconquest.com/victory/nap.html
There are 3 requirements for victory:
1) A coalition must have no more than 4 points worth of realms in the coalition. Major realms count for 2 points, and minor realms count for 1 point (Major Realms are England, France, Prussia, Austria, Russia & the Ottoman Empire, minor realms are all others).
2) France and England can never be in the same victorious coalition. They are implacable foes in the game, and can only have relations of war.
3) The coalition must control provinces worth at least 640 gold on the map. Annexation, territory damage, etc. does not matter (only the maximum gold value of the province).
23 Jan 06
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Originally posted by rwingettDownload the NE Diploware, dimwit, and you'll see that there are a few differences in province divisions, though most are the same but with very different gold values based on the historical changes. There also seem to be less independent provinces at the start. You left out the Kingdom of Poland, fool, so it's 12 like I said. If there's more interest in Dragonlords, I'd be willing to play that, though with my luck I'll probably wind up a hobbit or something. But I'd still prefer NE.
No, you chowderhead, it looks like they've got all the same province divisions and everything. They just changed some of the names to make it more compatible with the Napoleonic era. For example, they changed Frisia to Holland. Of course I can only see a small portion of the map.
There seems to be 11 players for NE. They are:
Algeria
Austria
Bavaria
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23 Jan 06
Originally posted by no1marauderNo, I didn't download the NE Diploware. I was just looking at the results of previous NE games to see who had finished the game alive and I missed Poland. But that makes more sense, 6 major realms and 6 minor realms.
Download the NE Diploware, dimwit, and you'll see that there are a few differences in province divisions, though most are the same but with very different gold values based on the historical changes. There also seem to be less independent provinces at the start. You left out the Kingdom of Poland, fool, so it's 12 like I said. If there's more interest in ...[text shortened]... though with my luck I'll probably wind up a hobbit or something. But I'd still prefer NE.
I tallied up the number of times each realm shared in the victory:
England 12
Austria 9
Prussia 9
Algeria 7
Bavaria 7
Ottomans 7
Naples 6
Russia 6
Spain 6
Sweden 4
France 3
Poland has never shared in the victory for any of the 34 NE games that have been completed to date. In fact, they only finished one game alive, which is why I missed them. Woe to the person who gets Poland, I guess. England seems to come out on top of France far more often as well. Some of the minor realms, like Algeria and Bavaria, have done pretty well.
23 Jan 06
Originally posted by no1marauderI'd be interested in playing Napoleonic, and also Dragonlords, but definatly would prefer NE out of the two.
Download the NE Diploware, dimwit, and you'll see that there are a few differences in province divisions, though most are the same but with very different gold values based on the historical changes. There also seem to be less independent provinces at the start. You left out the Kingdom of Poland, fool, so it's 12 like I said. If there's more interest in ...[text shortened]... though with my luck I'll probably wind up a hobbit or something. But I'd still prefer NE.
23 Jan 06
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI wouldn't screw around with the weblink - last turn, I uploaded my orders there, sent them, got a message indicated all was well. Two days later got an email saying the orders hadn't been received. Re-sent them as an email attachment and had no problem.
Just emailed orders for round 2...This time I couldn't upload them on the web page--the "browse" window went blank when I hit "upload". Last time there was no problem...Any idea about that?
23 Jan 06
Originally posted by eagles54Hmm. I uploaded numerous times by Web and e-mail last week and never got an e-mail confirmation. Try again with the site and if it confirms receipt, you know it's definitely in.
I wouldn't screw around with the weblink - last turn, I uploaded my orders there, sent them, got a message indicated all was well. Two days later got an email saying the orders hadn't been received. Re-sent them as an email attachment and had no problem.
23 Jan 06
Originally posted by buffalobillWell, twice I got a message saying to the effect that "Sire, your orders are received and await execution" and yet the next day I got an email from the GM saying that no such orders had been received.
Hmm. I uploaded numerous times by Web and e-mail last week and never got an e-mail confirmation. Try again with the site and if it confirms receipt, you know it's definitely in.
I'm going the email route.