25 Jan 06
Originally posted by KnightWulfeno1: I was looking at the strength of the various nations and have come up with a ranking based on a formula weighing, in descending order of importance, Gold value of Owned Provinces, Land Combat Ratings, Land Hit Points, Naval Combat Rating, Naval Hit Points.
Freddie, that file should come at some point today.
I, also, find it interesting how Venice places himself at #2.
What is your formula no1? I think we would all be interested in knowing how you came up with your calculations.
What part of this is the hardest for a barbarian peasant to understand? The two naval strength factors are about 20% and Venice has the strongest navy by a fair measure, but in none of the 5 areas is it lower than 10th. We're 7th in Gold Value of Provinces, 10th in Army Combat Strength and 4th in Army Hit Points. Obviously, you don't know who you're messing with.
25 Jan 06
Originally posted by no1marauderno1 - I did not say that I did not understand. I asked what you used for your calculations...
no1: I was looking at the strength of the various nations and have come up with a ranking based on a formula weighing, in descending order of importance, Gold value of Owned Provinces, Land Combat Ratings, Land Hit Points, Naval Combat Rating, Naval Hit Points.
What part of this is the hardest for a barbarian peasant to understand? The two ...[text shortened]... ombat Strength and 4th in Army Hit Points. Obviously, you don't know who you're messing with.
What is the formula that you used? What weight was used for the naval strength in the overall formula? The land military strength? Total gold worth? Each is a piece of the puzzle....but what weight to you give to each piece? Naval power has a limited function and, in the opinions of most militarists, would not weigh much in a LAND based battle. It certainly has weight, do not get me wrong... But Military strength on land should at least outweight it 3 to 2, if not 5 to 3.
I think your formula is skewed so that you look more powerful than you are.
25 Jan 06
Originally posted by KnightWulfeWhy would I bother? You and any friends of yours will see how strong Venice is when you try to sneak attack us. If you don't like my formula, come up with your own.
no1 - I did not say that I did not understand. I asked what you used for your calculations...
What is the formula that you used? What weight was used for the naval strength in the overall formula? The land military strength? Total gold worth? Each is a piece of the puzzle....but what weight to you give to each piece? Naval power has a limited function ...[text shortened]... o 2, if not 5 to 3.
I think your formula is skewed so that you look more powerful than you are.
Actually land strength outweighs naval strength 7:3 in my formula.
25 Jan 06
Originally posted by KnightWulfeIf anything, no1 would want to look weaker than he is I imagine. It's a common theme that those people on the top of the heap very early in multiplayer war games like this tend to get ganged up on and beaten down. I doubt he'd try to conciously make himself look stronger than he is, especially if his advantages are navy and potential revenue when you're a hostile land power. He's too smart for that. Unconciously, well, maybe that might happen; by not including land mobility in the analysis or geography he's skewing things in his favor a bit maybe.
no1 - I did not say that I did not understand. I asked what you used for your calculations...
What is the formula that you used? What weight was used for the naval strength in the overall formula? The land military strength? Total gold worth? Each is a piece of the puzzle....but what weight to you give to each piece? Naval power has a limited function ...[text shortened]... o 2, if not 5 to 3.
I think your formula is skewed so that you look more powerful than you are.
25 Jan 06
Originally posted by no1marauderI think you are both undercutting the importance of naval strength. Command of the seas may not directly win you any land battles, but it's influence on the options available to a realm are incalculable. The movement options available to most army units are fairly limited. You can give a reasonable guess as to where they're going. But naval units can transport an army to as many as a dozen provinces. As long as you're in a position to take advantage of it, command of the seas gives a realm a huge advantage in my opinion.
Why would I bother? You and any friends of yours will see how strong Venice is when you try to sneak attack us. If you don't like my formula, come up with your own.
Actually land strength outweighs naval strength 7:3 in my formula.
25 Jan 06
Originally posted by no1marauderWow, you are really thinking you know what I am planning, don't ya? You welcome to do that too.
Why would I bother? You and any friends of yours will see how strong Venice is when you try to sneak attack us. If you don't like my formula, come up with your own.
Actually land strength outweighs naval strength 7:3 in my formula.
On an aside - I have never made any pretense that anything I intend to do to Venice is a "sneak" anything. As a matter of fact, all of the chest pounding verbage between us both would most surely indicate that I very well intend to attack you.....
But of course, this could all be a ruse to put you on the defense against me while the Mamelukes or Hafsids invade from the south(not that they are...mind you...)
25 Jan 06
Originally posted by rwingettI do tend to discount the advantages of mobility in games like Starcraft. Maybe I should take peoples' navies more seriously. But in my case...the biggest navy in the world won't help anyone against me! At least not yet. I only have one coastal province and I already intended to keep it defended since it's on my land border.
I think you are both undercutting the importance of naval strength. Command of the seas may not directly win you any land battles, but it's influence on the options available to a realm are incalculable. The movement options available to most army units are fairly limited. You can give a reasonable guess as to where they're going. But naval units can transp ...[text shortened]... on to take advantage of it, command of the seas gives a realm a huge advantage in my opinion.
25 Jan 06
Originally posted by AThousandYoungI choose the factors I did because they're A) Important and B) Easily Quantifiable. I suppose I could do something with land unit mobility, like adding up all movement points for each country but that would heavily skew the results towards those nations with a lot of cavalry. I'm just not sure how big of an advantage land mobility is and, at this point, I think it's considerably less than Combat Strength and Hit Points. Time will tell; people can mentally adjust the rankings due to what they think are other factors. Geography isn't readily quantifiable either. The whole thing is a rough guide; use it or ignore it as you choose.
If anything, no1 would want to look weaker than he is I imagine. It's a common theme that those people on the top of the heap very early in multiplayer war games like this tend to get ganged up on and beaten down. I doubt he'd try to conciously make himself look stronger than he is, especially if his advantages are navy and potential revenue when yo ...[text shortened]... ng land mobility in the analysis or geography he's skewing things in his favor a bit maybe.
25 Jan 06
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Originally posted by rwingettSHHHH! Not so loud, Rwingo.😛
I think you are both undercutting the importance of naval strength. Command of the seas may not directly win you any land battles, but it's influence on the options available to a realm are incalculable. The movement options available to most army units are fairly limited. You can give a reasonable guess as to where they're going. But naval units can transp on to take advantage of it, command of the seas gives a realm a huge advantage in my opinion.
25 Jan 06
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Originally posted by KnightWulfeAnnouncing "I'm going to war with Country X" is called a declaration of war; attacking without such a declaration is a sneak attack; you have read a history book somewhere, haven't you?. Since I'm expecting your "sneak attack" in this case, it won't be terribly effective, even in the short run (and may well be disasterous for you right away) but it will still be a sneak attack.
Wow, you are really thinking you know what I am planning, don't ya? You welcome to do that too.
On an aside - I have never made any pretense that anything I intend to do to Venice is a "sneak" anything. As a matter of fact, all of the chest pounding verbage between us both would most surely indicate that I very well intend to attack you.....
But of ...[text shortened]... inst me while the Mamelukes or Hafsids invade from the south(not that they are...mind you...)
25 Jan 06
Originally posted by no1marauderno1,
Announcing "I'm going to war" is called a declaration of war; attacking without such a declaration is a sneak attack; you have read a history book somewhere, haven't you?. Since I'm expecting your "sneak attack" in this case, it won't be terribly effective, even in the short run (and may well be disasterous for you right away) but it will still be a sneak attack.
I would appreciate it if you would cease in your direct insults of my person. They are unecessary, unprovoked and highly dishonourable.
I have not brought insult to you in an out-of-game context once. You repeatedly do so. I will ask you a last time to please cease.
25 Jan 06
Originally posted by KnightWulfeSTFU you canine buggering, small weinered plonker! 😛
no1,
I would appreciate it if you would cease in your direct insults of my person. They are unecessary, unprovoked and highly dishonourable.
I have not brought insult to you in an out-of-game context once. You repeatedly do so. I will ask you a last time to please cease.
25 Jan 06
Originally posted by KnightWulfeThere's a "direct insult(s)" in that post??
no1,
I would appreciate it if you would cease in your direct insults of my person. They are unecessary, unprovoked and highly dishonourable.
I have not brought insult to you in an out-of-game context once. You repeatedly do so. I will ask you a last time to please cease.