Originally posted by HandyAndyOriginally posted by HandyAndy
I have mixed feelings about suicide and the right to die. I don't consider suicide a religious issue.
"I have mixed feelings about suicide and the right to die. I don't consider suicide a religious issue. (italics mine)
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Nor do I. Thanks for your objective reply.
One suicide occurred in my own family twice removed several decades ago when the father asphyxiated himself on carbon monoxide fumes in the garage attached to their home. This mother and their five children have finally recovered from the ruptured status quo. The question "Why?" still remains.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyYou are still asking after several decades: why did he commit suicide? Have you considered - at any point during those decades - that the answer is most likely depression and mental illness?
One suicide occurred in my own family twice removed several decades ago when the father asphyxiated himself on carbon monoxide fumes in the garage attached to their home. This mother and their five children have finally recovered from the ruptured status quo. The question "Why?" still remains.
HandyAndy: "I don't consider suicide a religious issue".And yet, very recently you said: "In my own view, God created your life and mine [and the lives of the rest human race since human history began] with an individual purpose and plan, therefore suicide per se would represent the superimposition of your will or mine over His."
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Nor do I.
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Originally posted by FMFYou don't know that. Some suicides are caused by mental illness. There are all manner of other causes, probably as many as there are individual cases.
You are still asking after several decades: why did he commit suicide? Have you considered - at any point during those decades - that the answer is most likely depression and mental illness?
It amazes me that you have the effrontery to call Grampy Bobby's beliefs superstition. The fashionable habit of denigrating religious faith by such nomenclature says infinitely more about the speaker himself than about anything he says.
02 Feb 16
Originally posted by StartreaderYes every suicide is an individual case, who would dispute that? But something like more than nine in ten suicides are caused by mental illness, not merely "some".
You don't know that. Some suicides are caused by mental illness. There are all manner of other causes, probably as many as there are individual cases.
02 Feb 16
Originally posted by StartreaderWhat it says about me is that I don't believe I can make myself immortal by believing in a supernatural being and I see such ideas as being entirely superstitious. There is no better vocabulary item to express my perspective.
It amazes me that you have the effrontery to call Grampy Bobby's beliefs superstition. The fashionable habit of denigrating religious faith by such nomenclature says infinitely more about the speaker himself than about anything he says.
Didn't you recently declare yourself to be a person who believes in calling things how you see them regardless of whether it makes others uncomfortable [or words to that effect]. In light of this, I don't understand why you don't see the same principle behind my candour.
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyPerhaps if you really cared you would have known him well enough to understand his plight and from that human interaction been able to reflect on the crassness of using a family member's (second removed) desperate lonely death as a point scoring mechanism in one of your stupid threads.
Originally posted by HandyAndy
"I have mixed feelings about suicide and the right to die. I don't consider suicide a religious issue. (italics mine)
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Nor do I. Thanks for your objective reply.
One suicide occurred in my own family twice removed several decades ago when the father asphyxiated himself on carbon monoxide fumes ...[text shortened]... children have finally recovered from the ruptured status quo. The question "Why?" still remains.
02 Feb 16
Originally posted by FMF to StartreaderIndeed, you said it on this thread: "I've always found in life that speaking as one finds is the best way forward. Perhaps the direct approach is uncomfortable for some?" As I said at the time, if this is the philosophy of forum participation you profess, do you recognize it and respect it in others?
Didn't you recently declare yourself to be a person who believes in calling things how you see them regardless of whether it makes others uncomfortable [or words to that effect]. In light of this, I don't understand why you don't see the same principle behind my candour.
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Originally posted by StartreaderYour ability to miss the point is absolutely astonishing. Do you really think that most offensive thing about what Grampy Bobby believes is that someone calls it superstitious?
It amazes me that you have the effrontery to call Grampy Bobby's beliefs superstition.
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Originally posted by StartreaderWhat reason for Grampy Bobby's relative (second removed) committing suicide would you find as justification for him claiming it to be "an insult to God and to his family"?
Some suicides are caused by mental illness. There are all manner of other causes, probably as many as there are individual cases.
Originally posted by divegeester"...and in an indirect sense [an insult] to the rest of the human race". ~ Grampy Bobby.
What reason for Grampy Bobby's relative (second removed) committing suicide would you find as justification for him claiming it to be "an insult to God and to his family"?