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Originally posted by phil3000Nicely put! 🙂
I hear your message that people need to be armed so they can respond to a gun nut the thing I don't understand is every time some gun nutter goes off on a shooting spree these people with guns don't shoot the nutters .
Considering there are more guns than people in the US no one seems to want to shoot a nut case and waits until the police arrive . Where ar ...[text shortened]... you about being a sitting duck . I am a sitting duck but no one has a gun to shoot me ,simple .
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Originally posted by HairDogTwo questions
This only strengthens the second amendment in the US. France outlawed guns so all these people were sitting ducks. That is to say if you can even believe the official story.
number of high school shootings in France last year?
number of high school shootings in US last year?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThank you for the question.
why do you have so much violence in your culture?
The reason for the violence in our nation is as follows:
1. Our society is preoccupied with violence. It is everywhere. Almost glorified in movies, music and video games. Young boys - really young - sit for hours playing bloodbath games. They become desensitized to violence. It imprints on their psyche for years. This can only have a major detrimental effect on our their brains and ultimately our society.Parents are too blame.
2. Parents are to blame again - failing to teach kids right from wrong. Not all. But a large percentage. When I was a kid, this was not the case. A lot of lazy, self absorbed parents out there.
3. Break down of family structure - lots of serious dysfunction in families. This creates anger, resentment, frustration - kids grow up and lash out.
4. Drugs. Goes hand in hand with violence.
5. Unemployment/poverty - People with no hope - that is never good. Often breeds a mentality of crime and violence.
6. Racial tensions - also a source of some of our nation's violence.
7. Gun laws - they are necessary but aren't enforced effectively. A citizen has the right to bear arms and protect what is theirs but does not need 10 AK 47s to do so. Common sense is needed. Proper training is needed. Safety measures by gun owners need to be adhered to. Routine and repeated background checks mandatory.
8. Our borders. What a disaster. And as we focus our attention on the droves of unsavory characters flooding up through the south, we take our eye off our northern border which is a free for all. Not to say that all those coming in have bad intentions. Of course not. But just ten is ten too many. (Yesterday is a prime example of how just a few can wreak havoc.) No idea who is here. Pathetic. Of course some violent types are coming. We do not know how to weed them out properly - if that is even possible. Close our borders short term and get our act together.
9. Respect for authority - there is very little. Kids (not all, but too many) are not taught to respect their teachers, their elders, law enforcement. More poor parenting. Cops are pretty much handcuffed right now. How ironic.
Well the list goes on and on. Sadly.
Pointing to gun ownership as the cause of these issues is just a knee jerk, nonsensical solution. These problems are deep and rampant and interconnected and require multi pronged, common sense solutions. Some reasonable gun control is only a small part of the equation.
Originally posted by faithj323All those problems you have cited Britain has too , except one big different one .
Thank you for the question.
The reason for the violence in our nation is as follows:
1. Our society is preoccupied with violence. It is everywhere. Almost glorified in movies, music and video games. Young boys - really young - sit for hours playing bloodbath games. They become desensitized to violence. It imprints on their psyche for years. This can ...[text shortened]... onged, common sense solutions. Some reasonable gun control is only a small part of the equation.
Guns .....
Originally posted by phil3000About one third of our population is armed. And just because they are armed, doesn't mean they carry. A very, very small percentage have a legally obtained concealed weapons permit in our nation. That means most are either using their guns to hunt or to keep at home in the event of a robbery, etc.
I hear your message that people need to be armed so they can respond to a gun nut the thing I don't understand is every time some gun nutter goes off on a shooting spree these people with guns don't shoot the nutters .
Considering there are more guns than people in the US no one seems to want to shoot a nut case and waits until the police arrive . Where ar ...[text shortened]... you about being a sitting duck . I am a sitting duck but no one has a gun to shoot me ,simple .
We can't protect ourselves from the nutters because the nutters have the upper hand. The nutters do not obey our common sense gun laws. Therefore they show up where guns are not allowed & shoot up the law abiding citizens who left their guns at home because they were not permitted. It is very screwed up and backwards.
Hunting for food is not a crime. If you feel badly for the innocent animals, don't eat meat. Don't eat fish either - that's cruel I suppose to in your eyes. Enjoy your kale and beans. I'm a carnivore and make no apologies.
Sport hunting is different. Throw them in jail.
I already responded in another post about why I think we have so much violence in America. It is just my opinion.
You cannot compare shooting fatalities between those nations unless you compare all other factors. You must identify the root of the problem here in America.
The madmen from yesterday - Think on this -
On Thursday if they were home with their families gunless eating dinner - are they still madmen?
Or just on Friday (yesterday)- they became madmen once a gun was in their hands?
No. Crazed evil people are crazed evil people every day of the week. Take away their guns, they will use grenades. Take away their grenades, they will poison our water supply. They have hearts that are dark, full of hatred for the rest of us. If we depleted the world of all guns (impossible) they would easily find another way to destroy.
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Originally posted by faithj323I disagree.
Can't compare countries.
Not unless all things are equal.
That is ridiculous.
Both our countries are capable of producing citizens of unstable character. On that point they are most certainly comparable. The only difference is that in our county such individuals don't have easy access to firearms.
Originally posted by faithj323But the argument I hear from Americans defending their gun laws are mostly as a protection against gun totting nut cases.
About one third of our population is armed. And just because they are armed, doesn't mean they carry. A very, very small percentage have a legally obtained concealed weapons permit in our nation. That means most are either using their guns to hunt or to keep at home in the event of a robbery, etc.
We can't protect ourselves from the nutters because the ...[text shortened]... If we depleted the world of all guns (impossible) they would easily find another way to destroy.
I just don't see anybody pulling their gun and shooting the bad guy before the police arrive .
The police in the UK as a rule do not carry guns so criminals don't either (that's the argument ) . There is an armed response team that carry weapons patrolling every major town and city in the UK ,we the general public would be unaware of this but any gun trouble and they are there in minutes . It works.
It's extremely rare for a burglar in the UK to be armed with a gun ,simply because they can't get their hands on one .
Originally posted by phil3000I do not think if you polled most Americans as to why they own a gun it is because they hope to stop a mass shooting. It is a very small percentage chance that the average American will ever be in that scenerio.
But the argument I hear from Americans defending their gun laws are mostly as a protection against gun totting nut cases.
I just don't see anybody pulling their gun and shooting the bad guy before the police arrive .
The police in the UK as a rule do not carry guns so criminals don't either (that's the argument ) . There is an armed response team that ca ...[text shortened]... r a burglar in the UK to be armed with a gun ,simply because they can't get their hands on one .
And if one was, more than likely the mass shooter has chosen a soft target where guns are not allowed. So the law abiding gun owners of our country would not have theirs with them. This is why you never hear of a lone American pulling out a gun in a theater to put a halt to an execution style killing spree. That's not allowed. No guns in theaters. Except for the bad guys of course. They get to have guns in theaters. Just like schools. Soft target. So where do you go if you are a bad guy? Schools. The sign clearly states "No guns allowed" right outside our schools. A madmen's dream. Let a select few trained individuals in each school have access to a gun to protect our most innocent of society. Is it a guarantee? No. But it is better than what we are doing now. Might be a deterrent for a few nut jobs.
Even if we banned all guns it would be impossible to get them off the street. There are too many. The black market would sky rocket.
Must go to the root of the problem. Sane, reasonable, freedom loving, peace seeking people do not harm others with or without guns. The people are the problem here. Not the guns.
I say it again -
Those barbarians in Paris...
Were they nice guys on Thursday? Hoping for peace in the world? Productive members of society with no bad intentions?
Then on Friday...they picked up a gun and became monsters? Just like that?
Of course not. The guns were just their method of choice. If guns did not exist, they'd come up with something else. (Like bombing a plane a few weeks ago) Extreme hate is extreme hate. And their desire to kill and destroy our way of life is strong.
Same applies here. Hateful evil people in our society will not take up knitting if we take away their guns.
They are still hateful, evil people.
We need to examine why there seem to be so many here. What are we doing wrong? We are failing an entire generation in my view.
Times were not like this when I was a kid growing up in America just a mere 25 years ago. Times are drastically different now. Citizens owned plenty of guns when I was growing up. But there were no church shootings, random acts of mass casualties, senseless school massacres....not even close to the scale we see today.
It is a break down of society.
Originally posted by faithj323faith323 . The American people has let the genie out of the bottle and can never put it back regarding guns . To be honest there is no answer, you are on your own on this one .
I do not think if you polled most Americans as to why they own a gun it is because they hope to stop a mass shooting. It is a very small percentage chance that the average American will ever be in that scenerio.
And if one was, more than likely the mass shooter has chosen a soft target where guns are not allowed. So the law abiding gun owners of our co ...[text shortened]... school massacres....not even close to the scale we see today.
It is a break down of society.
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Originally posted by faithj323The Paris horror isn't a breakdown of society at all. You may have that in America. We don't.
I do not think if you polled most Americans as to why they own a gun it is because they hope to stop a mass shooting. It is a very small percentage chance that the average American will ever be in that scenerio.
And if one was, more than likely the mass shooter has chosen a soft target where guns are not allowed. So the law abiding gun owners of our co ...[text shortened]... school massacres....not even close to the scale we see today.
It is a break down of society.
It's an act of war.
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What do you guys think of the idea that this will trigger an Islamophobic backlash and thus strengthen the European right wing? By perpetrating these acts and calculating a backlash does Islamic state not strengthen its own world view? Is it not ironic that many of the refugees were themselves fleeing Islamic state and will be targeted because of this? - Nader Atassi
It will undoubtedly stretch European empathy for sure.