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Originally posted by robbie carrobieBut many good Muslims are the first to say that what is behind IS is not Islam. Islam itself is a religion of peace.
What do you guys think of the idea that this will trigger an Islamophobic backlash and thus strengthen the European right wing? By perpetrating these acts and calculating a backlash does Islamic state not strengthen its own world view? Is it not ironic that many of the refugees were themselves fleeing Islamic state and will be targeted because of this? - Nader Atassi
It will undoubtedly stretch European empathy for sure.
The USA backed and funded a group of Syrians who were resisting Assad. That same group then invaded Iraq and America found themselves fighting the very people it had funded and equipped, and who are now IS. They're not Islamic and they are not a state.
There's another agenda going on here.
14 Nov 15
Originally posted by StartreaderFully agree.
But many good Muslims are the first to say that what is behind IS is not Islam. Islam itself is a religion of peace.
The USA backed and funded a group of Syrians who were resisting Assad. That same group then invaded Iraq and America found themselves fighting the very people it had funded and equipped, and who are now IS. They're not Islamic and they are not a state.
There's another agenda going on here.
The US funded AL Qaeda against the Soviets and that came back to bite them.
Originally posted by StartreaderIslam has the concept of Jihad, it is not a religion of peace. Furthermore like Judaism from which it springs it has no concept of the free exercise of conscience, but is based on a ritualistic form of worship with edicts and decrees, This unwillingness to allow people to exercise their conscience results in my opinion in atrocity when the conscience is overridden and superseded by some other controlling factor.
But many good Muslims are the first to say that what is behind IS is not Islam. Islam itself is a religion of peace.
The USA backed and funded a group of Syrians who were resisting Assad. That same group then invaded Iraq and America found themselves fighting the very people it had funded and equipped, and who are now IS. They're not Islamic and they are not a state.
There's another agenda going on here.
Yes the USA created an environment for the Islamic state to flourish. This is a common pattern with the USA, they did the very same in Afghanistan when they funded and equipped the Mujahideen, who were also fighting the Russians. America is a very fickle and fast friend.
Originally posted by StartreaderWhen did I say the horror yesterday was a break down in French's society?
The Paris horror isn't a breakdown of society at all. You may have that in America. We don't.
It's an act of war.
Please read carefully and do not put words in my mouth.
Of course it is an act of war. No brainer there.
Thanks for your smug attitude. Very much appreciated.
Originally posted by Captain StrangeNo I do not.
You keep contradicting yourself.
One minute carrying guns is the answer then its not.
I said that most Americans do not carry with the idea that they will ever be part of a mass shooting. The odds are less than being hit by lightening.
Where are my contradictions?
Guess what guys? Your troops from your own countries have stood side by side with us on many, many missions. You guys are allies with us, remember?
I love the blame America game. Let's play!
Then let's take a hard look at some of your countries' questionable activities.
Every government has at various times in history bad policies, crappy leaders, and yes, hidden agendas & self serving motives. It is what it is.
Originally posted by StartreaderWhere are the good Muslims and what are they doing to help stop these attacks ?
But many good Muslims are the first to say that what is behind IS is not Islam. Islam itself is a religion of peace.
The USA backed and funded a group of Syrians who were resisting Assad. That same group then invaded Iraq and America found themselves fighting the very people it had funded and equipped, and who are now IS. They're not Islamic and they are not a state.
There's another agenda going on here.
Where are the good Muslims helping aid in Africa
WHERE ARE THE GOOD MUSLIMS
14 Nov 15
Originally posted by faithj323I can see its a subject you feel strongly about and i for one would like someone like you with your gun if i was ever in a situation like yesterday.
No I do not.
I said that most Americans do not carry with the idea that they will ever be part of a mass shooting. The odds are less than being hit by lightening.
Where are my contradictions?
But how many gun carriers are highly trained soldiers like you?
How many people are killed by their own gun each year or one of their kids have shot a sibling?
I have spoke to many americans in the past. They have all answered yes to the following question, just wondering what your thoughts are.
The question.....Do you know someone who should not be allowed to own a gun?
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Originally posted by faithj323Erm...
When did I say the horror yesterday was a break down in French's society?
Please read carefully and do not put words in my mouth.
Of course it is an act of war. No brainer there.
Thanks for your smug attitude. Very much appreciated.
You ended that post with "It is a breakdown in society".
Please read carefully my post and then your own before you put words into my mouth!
Originally posted by StartreaderKeep my words in context please. I was referring to America in the end of my post. It is clear to see if you took the time to read it.
Erm...
You ended that post with "It is a breakdown in society".
Please read carefully my post and then your own before you put words into my mouth!
Wouldn't have even made since if I was referring to France and the events of yesterday. Of course what happened was not a breakdown of their society.
Originally posted by roma45Like I said, contrary to what outsiders believe based on their internet findings and watching biased news reports, MOST US gun owners do not carry their guns out in public. A very small percentage, and yes - they tend to be soldiers or other citizens who have firearms training. You can't just go into a place & get a permit to carry. There are certain requirements & training you must have, background checks, etc.
I can see its a subject you feel strongly about and i for one would like someone like you with your gun if i was ever in a situation like yesterday.
But how many gun carriers are highly trained soldiers like you?
How many people are killed by their own gun each year or one of their kids have shot a sibling?
I have spoke to many americans in the past. They ...[text shortened]... your thoughts are.
The question.....Do you know someone who should not be allowed to own a gun?
The great majority are hunters or citizens who feel safer having a gun in their home to protect themselves and their families. If they are responsible, they take great care in how they store their gun. It is a HUGE responsible. My kids do not even know that I own any guns. They will probably need to be at least 16 before I would even consider telling them. Even good kids are curious kids. In the military - there is what we call a "need to know" basis. There is no need for them to know.
There are common sense rules that parents need to follow if they choose to own a gun. These days, some parents are dropping the ball on so many fronts that it is of no surprise that there are accidental shootings. But again, there is a bigger problem here - lack of proper adult supervision, lack of parental guidance...endless list...
I know a ton of people who own guns and a smaller number that actually carry one out in public. They are outstanding citizens and take great measures to respect and follow our laws. As usual, the bad apples of our society often dictate policy.
I would be curious to hear a response from you or anyone else regarding my Thursday/Friday comment in one of my previous posts.
Originally posted by faithj323Lets face it.
Keep my words in context please. I was referring to America in the end of my post. It is clear to see if you took the time to read it.
Wouldn't have even made since if I was referring to France and the events of yesterday. Of course what happened was not a breakdown of their society.
You're just a dumba$$ redneck American who thinks the right to bear arms will bring safety and protection. Having guns won't bring you safety. It just puts guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have them.
You guys wouldn't have a clue.
Originally posted by radioactive69I was born and raised in Chicago.
Lets face it.
You're just a dumba$$ redneck American who thinks the right to bear arms will bring safety and protection. Having guns won't bring you safety. It just puts guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have them.
You guys wouldn't have a clue.
I'm done with you. You are too dopey to converse with.