Question about anti-virus programs:

Originally posted by sonhouse
Wow, all the way up to 800 now🙂 I thought it was more like 10 to 1 in favor of MS. Looks more like 1000 to 1. I heard there is a whole department at MS just devoted to the 2 million emails Gates gets each day🙂 I'll bet half of them are trojans! And I thought I had problems🙂 Well that settles it, I am going to switch to linux. I bought a version called Ki ...[text shortened]... o run forever fat, while Linux will run forever young. HEY that would make a great song🙂

you could lose your data irretrievably doing any kind of O/S install, including Linux. if you have a new, blank hard drive that's one thing, but if you're trying to install Linux in a separate partition on an existing Windows drive, and planning to keep your Windows as well, that's another. that's why i suggest you talk to someone who can help you directly, especially a user's group, or start with a new hard drive (taking out the old hard drive first, not keeping it alongside). sometimes i wind up buying a new motherboard, CPU, RAM and HD and just keeping the case and power supply. sometimes the system is new enough to keep everything, and i can install Linux in a separate partition on a Windows machine, multibooting with the grub boot manager, but i know how to do it.

you got any old machines sitting around you could put a new hard drive on for Linux?

also, if you download or buy live Linux CDs, such as Mint, etc., you can boot from the CD without installing to the hard drive, and just try it out. need a gig or more of RAM, probably, to run Mint with. Puppy Linux is a lot smaller and will run with 256M or less i think.

AV programs probably throw away the old updates before they start taking too much space.

Originally posted by zeeblebot
never heard of Kill Bill, maybe this is it:

http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/SLAX-KillBill-Edition-1957.shtml

Slax is a distro from Czech Republic.

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=slax

Originally posted by sonhouse
So people like Crawley who seems to think he is the god of computers, good luck with that but there is a lot more to the world of technology than computer software, even though he may not think so. We all spend our time in our field and I would love to see Crawl try to fix a vacuum leak on an ion implanter.

I don't want to get involved with your idiotic threads anymore, because if anyone just sounds like they are a little sarcastic when trying to help you, you throw your toys out the cot, and that gets old.

I'm no "computer god", I just know what I'm talking about, because I've seen lots in my line of work.
You seem to think just throwing software at a problem will solve all your problems, instead of properly finding the root cause.


You run all kinds of anti-malware-types, different AVs (bad idea to have more than one installed, even if they are not running concurrently), system cleaning/diagnostic/mechanic types and registry cleaners etc.
This means you are probably opening holes everywhere as these applications fight for disk access etc. plus some of these apps are actually trojans that bring the nasties onto that limping hard drive of yours.

Choose 1 good AV app and 1 good anti-malware app, stick to it and try to use your limited common sense to not even give these apps a sweat when you use your PC.
If there is a nasty piece of software stuck, stop pottering around and get a professional to help you, or format and apply my previous sentence.

Originally posted by Crowley
I don't want to get involved with your idiotic threads anymore, because if anyone just sounds like they are a little sarcastic when trying to help you, you throw your toys out the cot, and that gets old.

I'm no "computer god", I just know what I'm talking about, because I've seen lots in my line of work.
You seem to think just throwing software at a pro ...[text shortened]... ering around and get a professional to help you, or format and apply my previous sentence.

I think it is pretty well known you need more than one AV since a company devoting it's effort to finding shyteware can't do it all. That has been proven over and over for MS anyway. How could it be otherwise with literally millions of scumware being generated? No one company can do it all. I think the real key is to be smart about what sites you visit, and like Zeeb says, use linux for family machines where the chances of getting hit are greatly reduced. All sarcastic comments aside, you have done your share of that too, I have a cd of one linux version, Kill Bill. Have you ever heard of it? Also, the point was made that one of the reasons linux is hard to compromise is because each version is different, Ubuntu, Red Hat, etc. Are they so different they need to have each app tuned to just that version or could you run say, open office in red hat and then take a copy of OO and run it exactly as is on Ubuntu? Like if I use this Kill Bill, would apps for other versions of linux run on that one just as well or is there a hundred different versions of apps for each flavor of linux?

Originally posted by sonhouse
I think it is pretty well known you need more than one AV since a company devoting it's effort to finding shyteware can't do it all. That has been proven over and over for MS anyway. How could it be otherwise with literally millions of scumware being generated? No one company can do it all. I think the real key is to be smart about what sites you visit, and ...[text shortened]... at one just as well or is there a hundred different versions of apps for each flavor of linux?

Heeheheheeh... You should probably be busy downloading all the AV programs online rather than lecturing Crowley about the topic. Perhaps when you've collected them ALL you will solve the never ending problems you have with your computer.

Better yet, you could make AV program trading cards and collect and trade them. You could have a virtual AV battle game where they gain skill levels in healing your computer.

I've seen you take heat in a few threads like this one, and I've stayed away... but now it's almost like you want to be battered in these threads. Are you baiting people with these topics?

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Originally posted by sonhouse
I think it is pretty well known you need more than one AV since a company devoting it's effort to finding shyteware can't do it all. That has been proven over and over for MS anyway. How could it be otherwise with literally millions of scumware being generated? No one company can do it all. I think the real key is to be smart about what sites you visit, and ...[text shortened]... at one just as well or is there a hundred different versions of apps for each flavor of linux?

I have and use only one AV and my computer works like a charm. I've got one virus in the last 6 years on my computers.

Think about how many computer problem threads are generated in this forum and how many of them are started by you. I would wager 80%.

I'M JUST SAYIN

Originally posted by darvlay
I have and use only one AV and my computer works like a charm. I've got one virus in the last 6 years on my computers.

Think about how many computer problem threads are generated in this forum and how many of them are started by you. I would wager 80%.

I'M JUST SAYIN

My Online Pants:
MS Security Essentials

My Online Undies:
Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware

Perhaps 4 easily solved problems in past 2 years... granted I'm healing a network of 5 computers.

I wish I could find the thread Sonhouse started about downloading 'free' programs safely some months back...

Originally posted by sonhouse
I think it is pretty well known you need more than one AV since a company devoting it's effort to finding shyteware can't do it all. That has been proven over and over for MS anyway. How could it be otherwise with literally millions of scumware being generated? No one company can do it all. I think the real key is to be smart about what sites you visit, and ...[text shortened]... at one just as well or is there a hundred different versions of apps for each flavor of linux?

i wouldn't use the Kill Bill (Slax?) just because you bought it. you can download distros for free; the links are on each distro's page at distrowatch.com.

if you get a more popular distro, you can get more support on the distro's forums. see the lower-right-hand sidebar on distrowatch.com, it ranks the distros according to page hits at distrowatch. that's why i'm saying go with Mint.

if the Kill Bill distro is from Czech R., no telling what kind of community support you will get.

if you contact the local Linux User's Group, they could tell you what distro they recommend.

Slax is probably based on Slackware, which is probably the oldest distro still running but that doesn't make it the easiest to try out. i haven't used Slackware for a while, no idea where it's at now.

Originally posted by darvlay
I have and use only one AV and my computer works like a charm. I've got one virus in the last 6 years on my computers.

Think about how many computer problem threads are generated in this forum and how many of them are started by you. I would wager 80%.

I'M JUST SAYIN

All well and good, but here is a challenge, whatever it is you use for AV, download something like malwarebytes, or superantispyware or Ad Aware, just one of them. Then start up your own AV, let it finish, then run any of the others. This is a direct challenge. Then report honestly what you find. I can predict it but won't, you will find out. BTW, I wouldn't use Ad Aware, it is frightfully slow. Super anti is probably 3 times faster. But try any one of them after you run a thorough AV with your own.

Originally posted by sonhouse
All well and good, but here is a challenge, whatever it is you use for AV, download something like malwarebytes, or superantispyware or Ad Aware, just one of them. Then start up your own AV, let it finish, then run any of the others. This is a direct challenge. Then report honestly what you find. I can predict it but won't, you will find out. BTW, I wouldn ...[text shortened]... is probably 3 times faster. But try any one of them after you run a thorough AV with your own.

You can buy Kaspersky2011 for about 15 quid, 23 US dollars or 590 Canadian dollars after tax. ThAT is with the CD.

Originally posted by sonhouse
All well and good, but here is a challenge, whatever it is you use for AV, download something like malwarebytes, or superantispyware or Ad Aware, just one of them. Then start up your own AV, let it finish, then run any of the others. This is a direct challenge. Then report honestly what you find. I can predict it but won't, you will find out. BTW, I wouldn ...[text shortened]... is probably 3 times faster. But try any one of them after you run a thorough AV with your own.

LOL! Here's a challenge for you. Keep your computer running.

Good luck.

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Originally posted by Phlabibit
LOL! Here's a challenge for you. Keep your computer running.

Good luck.

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I almost paid for a sub just to rec this post.

Originally posted by Phlabibit
LOL! Here's a challenge for you. Keep your computer running.

Good luck.

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It's funny, you have your head in the sand if you think one AV is going to protect your box. The stuff that kills you is the stuff you don't know about. Good luck with that.

Originally posted by mikelom
You can buy Kaspersky2011 for about 15 quid, 23 US dollars or 590 Canadian dollars after tax. ThAT is with the CD.

I don't know why you all think one AV is going to make you safe. There is a lot more going on under the hood of you comp than you think. There is a lot more crudware on your computer than you know about. I am glad you feel safe in the dark. Why don't you take me up on my challenge? Any of you. Try it. I don't think you will feel so smug if you do.

Originally posted by darvlay
I almost paid for a sub just to rec this post.

Did it for you THIS TIME. But don't be thinking you can start all that pleading to get me to buy you a sub again.