10 Mar 09
Originally posted by uzlessYou asked the wrong question, Pal. Only an imbecile or fool would follow your lead and answer it. Why are you backing off now like a coward?
AGAIN, I ask you all to read the first post, and answer the question posed by it.
Don't answer questions that weren't asked or ones you made up yourself.😵
10 Mar 09
Originally posted by uzlessWell done! You've "looked up" and based your whole argument on a single US-based resource that loosely describes ONE rather black-hat, redundant (most modern browsers block those kind of cookies being set) form of web advertising and then instantly assumed it's used by both RHP and the advertising companies RHP uses.
ffs. Here is the direct quote from the US Federal Trade Commission. Unlike some of you. I know what i'm talking about because I look things up.
What Is Online Behavioral Advertising?
Online behavioral advertising involves the tracking of consumers’ online activities in
order to deliver tailored advertising. The practice, which is typically invisi ...[text shortened]... ment for airline flights to New York.
http://www.ftc.gov/os/2009/02/P085400behavadreport.pdf
Maybe you should go "look up" summaries of the many other forms of web advertising (ones that are used on this site would be a good start), RHP's Privacy Policy and the Privacy Policies of all the advertisers on this site. Then you'll find out exactly how your details are being handled for targeted adverts.
11 Mar 09
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Originally posted by Daemon SinFROM THE RHP PRIVACY STATEMENT
Maybe you should go "look up" summaries of the many other forms of web advertising (ones that are used on this site would be a good start), RHP's Privacy Policy and the Privacy Policies of all the advertisers on this site. Then you'll find out exactly how your details are being handled for targeted adverts.
Banner Adverts
"The banner advertisements you see on Red Hot Pawn are displayed by third-party ad networks. Ad networks often place cookies on your computer to allow them to try to target advertisments based on which adverts have been viewed and which have been clicked. Red Hot Pawn does not have access to the information placed on your machine by banner ad networks. "
YUP, no exchange of information there is there? No cookies placed on our machines when we visit RHP. No information is passed on to ad-networks. Nope. None. Says so right there in the privacy statement. 🙄
Seems pretty clear that RHP allows ad networks to place cookies onto our machines. So, if you use your head, you'd see that in effect RHP allows your webhabits to be tracked and viewed by allowing 3rd parties to put tracking software onto your computer. RHP is PAID for this. In effect, the Ad-network PAYS Rhp to allow the ad-network to track you.
To say that RHP is not complicit in this arrangement is erroneous.
Now, don't get yer panties in a knot. I AM NOT complaining about this. Just asking how the rest of you felt about it. Not once have I said I don't like it. Some of you airheads have just assumed it.
So, rather than just say I am wrong, why don't you explain exactly how I am wrong, how this site uses banner advertisers, how your explanation is different from the one i have given (which by the way is the only explanation ANYONE has given so far) and how my explanation is incorrect given the vague and sparse statements provided in the RHP policy statement.
There is a method to this madness socrates...
11 Mar 09
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Originally posted by uzlessIt's really quite simple if you think about it. RHP doesn't share any
FROM THE RHP PRIVACY STATEMENT
Banner Adverts
"The banner advertisements you see on Red Hot Pawn are displayed by third-party ad networks. Ad networks often place cookies on your computer to allow them to try to target advertisments based on which adverts have been viewed and which have been clicked. Red Hot Pawn does not have access to the information s provided in the RHP policy statement.
There is a method to this madness socrates...
information about you specifically with advertisers. It's the advertisers
that use so called tracking cookies.
Let's say you visit redhotpawn.com and they use doubleclick.net (for
instance). doubleclick.net will have it's own frame in the page where ads
can be loaded from their server (not redhotpawn). Now, let's say you go
visit another site on the net using doubleclick.net adverts. Then
doubleclick.net will know that you've been to RHP. They will also know
every other site you've been to that uses doubleclick.net.
RHP has nothing to do with this. If you don't want advertisers to track
you, I suggest you either block cookies from 3rd parties or clean the
cookie cash every once in a while.
11 Mar 09
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Originally posted by zozozozolol, I only ask because online privacy has become a bit of an issue in our media here. I thought i'd get the rhp opinion but holy cow was that idea ever misguided. It's funny, too, because our newspapers have been pushing for more privacy for online consumers, but I see their advertisments on RHP! Bunch of hypocrites.
Whats the problem uzless? u should see this as a positive thing.
You now no longer have to surf to these news websites you visit.
You simply only go to rhp, then click your way to the news sites u visit.
This could save you like, maybe a minute max. of your time🙂
"[b]How do you feel about your privacy being given away by RHP?"
Depends, what do they all know? Should i start digging?:p[/b]
it's getting so that you can't even ask a simple question anymore around here. perhaps I'll put a disclaimer in front of every question
11 Mar 09
Originally posted by uzlessYou said: The only way for these ads to appear (other than sheer coincidence which it's not) is for RHP to be using software than scans your web history. RHP then provides this information to its advertisers.
So, rather than just say I am wrong, why don't you explain exactly how I am wrong,
Daemon Sin and I explained how it works.
If you don't want these advertisers seeing your habits, then set your browser to ask you which cookies you want to accept and install an ad-blocker. Also, delete your cookies every day.
You have the tools for better security at your disposal, why don't you go and "read up" about that for a change?
11 Mar 09
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Originally posted by JigtieRHP doesn't share any
It's really quite simple if you think about it. RHP doesn't share any
information about you specifically with advertisers. It's the advertisers
that use so called tracking cookies.
Let's say you visit redhotpawn.com and they use doubleclick.net (for
instance). doubleclick.net will have it's own frame in the page where ads
can be loaded from their either block cookies from 3rd parties or clean the
cookie cash every once in a while.
information about you specifically with advertisers. It's the advertisers
that use so called tracking cookies.
This makes RHP a willing partner in the arrangement.
Then
doubleclick.net will know that you've been to RHP.
RHP has nothing to do with this
These two statements contradict each other since RHP knows advertisers are placing tracking software on your compy. Just because you don't do it yourself, it does not mean that you aren't part of it....especially if they PAY you for it!! 😀
11 Mar 09
Originally posted by uzlessStop calling it software.
These two statements contradict each other since RHP knows advertisers are placing tracking software on your compy. Just because you don't do it yourself, it does not mean that you aren't part of it....especially if they PAY you for it!! 😀
AND
Any user may refuse to accept cookies, so your 'argument' falls flat on its face.
11 Mar 09
Originally posted by CrowleyMy god, stop living in the past. We've moved on from this. I clarified what I meant already.
You said: The only way for these ads to appear (other than sheer coincidence which it's not) is for RHP to be using software than scans your web history. RHP then provides this information to its advertisers.
Daemon Sin and I explained how it works.
If you don't want these advertisers seeing your habits, then set your browser to ask you which ...[text shortened]... r better security at your disposal, why don't you go and "read up" about that for a change?
This isn't about getting better security and protecting yourself. You are coming at this from the wrong end. Stop yammering on about users protecting themself. I was asking how people felt about RHP allowing your webhabits to be passed on to advertisers. Geez.
How many times do i have to say it? Hello? McFly?? (Knocks on head) Is anybody in there??
11 Mar 09
Originally posted by uzlessRHP has no control over what web-advertisers do.
My god, stop living in the past. We've moved on from this. I clarified what I meant already.
This isn't about getting better security and protecting yourself. You are coming at this from the wrong end. Stop yammering on about users protecting themself. I was asking how people felt about RHP allowing your webhabits to be passed on to advertisers. Ge ...[text shortened]...
How many times do i have to say it? Hello? McFly?? (Knocks on head) Is anybody in there??
YOU have the control.
Get that through your thick skull.
11 Mar 09
Originally posted by CrowleyI don't think it will sink in. His mindset is fused!
RHP has no control over what web-advertisers do.
YOU have the control.
Get that through your thick skull.
Maybe he needs to get Admuncher and he can then have fun looking at the lovely logs of items as he surfs the net.
He could then report on a daily basis.
Heres a few I had earlier just to get him excited 😛
Default filter match - Remove images/etc with URL: google-analytics.*.js [http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/post.php?threadid=109596&frompage=3&replytoid=2049328]
Default filter match - Remove images/etc with URL: /urchin.js [http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/post.php?threadid=109596&frompage=3&replytoid=2049328]
Prevented site from changing the active window [http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/post.php?threadid=109596&frompage=3&replytoid=2049328]
Prevented site from changing the active window [http://www.redhotpawn.com/jscript/brainjarmenu2.js]
Prevented site from changing the active window [http://www.redhotpawn.com/jscript/rhplib_034.js]
11 Mar 09
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Originally posted by uzlessRHP isn't putting software on your computer. We're talking cookies
[b]RHP doesn't share any
information about you specifically with advertisers. It's the advertisers
that use so called tracking cookies.
This makes RHP a willing partner in the arrangement.
Then
doubleclick.net will know that you've been to RHP.
RHP has nothing to do with this
These two statements contradict each other since RH self, it does not mean that you aren't part of it....especially if they PAY you for it!! 😀[/b]
saved by the advertiser. Cookies aren't software. They're simple text
data, saved to "remember" something for another page visit.
Now, I understand your question. Is it ok to track people's surfing habits
like this? The question is irrelevant though, because there's nothing that
RHP can do about it. They need money to run the business, and
advertiser companies like these pay the best, hence you're gonna have
to live with being "tracked" unless you're willing to pay for a subscription.
You can't ask for the best chess site in the world (in my opinion) to keep
it up, and expect it to be without any cost. Neither can anyone else,
whether they approve of tracking cookies or not.