Originally posted by garyminfordI second that. The difference is, guns are designed to kill - that is their purpose. Cars, for example, are not.
Part of the problem with that line of approach is that guns are supremely different to evrything else. They are made to fire small pieces of metal at incredibly high speeds at people. (in case you didn't know 😉)
As such they are in a class of their own, and rightly so.
'Guns don't kill people, people kill people.'
True, but they also make it in ...[text shortened]... p to someone with a knife or bat if they were going to kill someone. With a gun I would not not.
My family and I own a fair number of guns. We treat them with respect, and safety. We've been shooting competition, and hunting since I was small with never an incident. It boils down to be raised right. The problems are myriad. Now days if you carry a pocket knife it's assumed you're trying to kill someone. I was raised on a farm, and if I showed up to work with my dad, and didn't have a pocket knife (tool) I was in trouble. Common sense unfortunately is none too common these days. Just like anything else, a lawyer will find a way to twist the constitution if it will allow him to make money. No where does it state we must separate church and state, but it's being done. Only states that the government may not mandate a state religion. What can I say.............
Originally posted by Vargagreed. Knives can kill, and can be designed to kill. They can also be rather handy kitchen implements. Therefore knives that are designed as weapons have restrictions placed on buying & owning them, to the extent that some types are illegal (eg. sharpened swords, flick/bullet knives). Equally having a knife, even if it is a kitchen knife, when there is no reason to is concidered possession of a deadly weapon. Does thi sstop knife attacks? No. But it reduces the number of kids running around with flick knives in their pockets 'for show', it does reduce the number of people witha steak knife in their pocket for protection, and it empowers the authorities to act against people who disobey these rules; therefore it reduces the number of knife attacks. Controls on guns should be easier because you don't need one to cook dinner.
I second that. The difference is, guns are designed to kill - that is their purpose. Cars, for example, are not.
Chancre Mechanic, not surprised to see we have similar thoughts regarding gun control. You can't mandate common sense much as our government sometimes tries. Most of them obviously haven't come up against a really pissed off rattlesnake, or rabid skunk etc in the country....
Most of them obviously haven't come up against a really pissed off rattlesnake, or rabid skunk etc in the country....[/b]which is why farmers etc. can get gun licences in the UK, under controls (that probably should be tighter).
The reason they haven't come up against many rabid skunks etc. is because you don't get that many in downtown Detroit. But you do get a suprising number of guns. Why are those needed? Although there may be an eliment of truth in it, do you not see the irony in the answer "to protect themselves from all the people who have guns".
Originally posted by belgianfreakSkunks are the least thing to worry about in Downtown Detroit... wouldn't you think?
which is why farmers etc. can get gun licences in the UK, under controls (that probably should be tighter).
The reason they haven't come up against many rabid skunks etc. is because you don't get that many in downtown Detroit. But you do get a suprising number of guns. Why are those needed? Although there may be an eliment of truth in it, do you not see the irony in the answer "to protect themselves from all the people who have guns".
Here is a site with info and links... perhaps you can find some info stated and disprove it?
http://www.guncite.com/
Guns aren't for everyone, but if there is just one other person on the planet with a gun; I'd like the right to have one also. I really don't care what the info shows... that is how I feel about it.
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Originally posted by chaswrayThank You....😏
Hmm, following that line of thinking...if no one had alcohol....if no one had automobiles...if no one had..hell a leg of lamb has been used as a deadly weapon let's ban them too.
No the solution lies in, tougher purchase controls and mandatory sentences for the use of a gun in a felony. It's worked to lower drunk driving fatalities, although there are still way too many!
Regards,
Charlie
garyminford is right--people wouldn't get shot if there were no guns. So obviously there must be some reason why people have them which outweighs the risk, right? The same goes for cars--many fewer people would die in car accidents if cars were banned, but cars are very useful to a lot of people, so society has agreed that the benefit outweighs the risk. However, in industrial societies with delis and police forces it seems like meat and protection are pretty well provided for. I probably missed something though--so what is the reason for guns that outweighs the risk?
Originally posted by royalchickenIt gives a feeling of security.
garyminford is right--people wouldn't get shot if there were no guns. So obviously there must be some reason why people have them which outweighs the risk, right? The same goes for cars--many fewer people would die in car accidents if cars were banned, but cars are very useful to a lot of people, so society has agreed that the benefit outweighs the r ...[text shortened]... or. I probably missed something though--so what is the reason for guns that outweighs the risk?
Fjord
There are many reasons for owning a gun. By the way when you say gun that encompasses a lot of classes of firearms. I for one own many black powder reproductions and a couple of originals. You see I collect, that's a reason for owning. I have several single shot target/hunting pistols. There are two more reasons for owning a gun. I have several high powered bolt action rifles passed down to me from my father and grandfather. I guess you could say that's a sentimental reason to own a gun. For my father and grandfather on the farm they were tools as an earlier poster alluded to.
Now notice I haven't mentioned assault rifles or glock pistols or 15 round sig-sauer semi automatic pistols or riot shotguns. I have no use for those. Although there are some legitmate reasons for owning one. They are the weapons of choice for drug crazed idiots who are ruining America's cities. And by the way if you're doing "recreational" drugs you're helping them to get these weapons. I don't live in the city anymore, I did for quite a few years and came back here to the country. You couldn't pay me enough to live there again.
To quote an earlier poster "Guns don't kill people. People kill people" That's very true, it's been happening since before the invention of gunpowder. Do guns make it easier? Sure! Can you take my legitimate guns away from me? HELL NO! My guns don't kill people, and weren't designed to kill people as an earlier poster classified all guns.
Here in the states we need tougher laws for obtaining guns. Tougher laws for the commission of a felony with a gun. And above all stop coddling the criminals when they're in jail. Hell they've got it better than a lot of hard working people.
Regards,
Charlie
Both in our city and nationally, violence in schools is one of the major fears of teens and their parents. National studies of American high school students by Edward Gaughan, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology at Alfred University in NY show that:
•Teen-agers say revenge is the strongest motivation for school shootings.
- 87 percent said shootings are motivated by a desire to "get back at those who have hurt them."
- 86 percent said "other kids picking on them, making fun of them or bullying them" causes teen-agers to turn to lethal violence in the schools.
•Students recognize that being a victim of abuse at home or witnessing others being abused at home may cause violence in school.
- 61 percent said students shoot others because they have been victims of physical abuse at home.
- 54 percent said witnessing physical abuse at home can lead to violence at school.
•Students have access to guns.
- 61 percent of the respondents said they know students who could bring a gun to school if they wanted to.
- 24 percent of students say they could "easily get a gun if I wanted to."
•The potential for violence in our nation's high schools is widespread.
- 37 percent of respondents said there are "kids at my school who I think might shoot someone."
- 20 percent of respondents have heard rumors that another student plans to shoot someone, and 20 percent have also overheard another student actually talking about shooting someone at school.
- 8 percent of respondents said they have thought about shooting someone at school.
- 10 percent of the students said they have thought about how to shoot someone at school.
dc.indymedia.org/feature/display/90017/index.php
Scary stuff ! When you get shootings in schools you know that your society is going to wrack and ruin don't you think ?