Russ, interesting argument there... hmmm. If all 3 are the same, block the computer. If the, lets say.... Washington State University legal team comes knocking, well, you messed up. I know that ONE of the banned go to school there and SHE is a REAL player.
Russ, block the IP address, or restore their places on the site with no further penalty.
I second the idea, if all 3 advance, what's to stop you from placing them in one group. You would get no complaint from me there.
E C Perreault (Canada) FIDE member
Couldn't help but hear about all the - drama - and I looked into the 3 OFFENDERS.
A. lefthandedgambit played 2 games vs Virus Carrier
B. Virus carrier played those 2 above games
C smurfchess played neither of the other 2
### Hardly grounds for banning there###
They are rated #1, 2, and 4 in the tourney (are expected to win games)
Are not playing vs each other in tourney.
lefthandedgambit completed and won all his games !!! 9 days ago!!!
Virus Carrier has won 2 and from looks of others will advance safely.
smurfchess has won 4 and looks like other 2 are wins also.
Am I missing something here????
There must be a LOUD COMPLAINER WHO LOST TO ONE OF THEM. or is losing???
I must be dense... what are the grounds for the accusations of cheating!!!
If we win a few games in a row and our rating goes up, are we to be banned too, because of some opponent who lost?
I would imagine that all 3 are long gone... or wouldn't be interested in the membership now, anyway.
Let them back in, and let's play chess!!!
Just wondering what is going on... SpecialForces1976
Originally posted by Baron of ChessEven if all three players used the same computer, the same IP (all within a minute). That is no proof that they are the same person, only a degree of suspicion can be placed on that activity level.
If Russ knows the offending IP address, why doesn't he just block that address. If he does not know the IP address or computer ID, then what does he base his banning of the 3 "accomplices". If there is a thought the same person entered 3 times into a tourney... why not place the three of them in "their own group" within the tourney and they wil ...[text shortened]... ng.
Baron of Chess State of Washington,USA
spelling error corrected
The question is after what level of suspicion does Russ take action ?
I am playing Chess and Othello on 4 other sites, WITH THE SAME COMPUTER (wife calls it "Idiot Box"😉. Am I going to be banned too???
Where's my lawyer's site, oh yea www.lamefatboy.com
What is TOS? I got 10 of them (I think).
What does it stand for??? Throw Out Serfs (read as nonimportant ones).
Russ, I looked up your chess games... You played with more than one name... tsk tsk. You are banned forever to www.downtime.com/blackhole.
Ok, I am done. Good bye players. I am sure that I will be silenced too.
Originally posted by SpecialForces1976FYI: TOS = Terms Of Service
I am playing Chess and Othello on 4 other sites, WITH THE SAME COMPUTER (wife calls it "Idiot Box"😉. Am I going to be banned too???
Where's my lawyer's site, oh yea www.lamefatboy.com
What is TOS? I got 10 of them (I think).
What does it stand for??? Throw Out Serfs (read as nonimportant ones).
Russ, I looked up your chess games... ...[text shortened]... time.com/blackhole.
Ok, I am done. Good bye players. I am sure that I will be silenced too.
Yada, yada, yada
I thought I was on RedHotPawn... Not Yahoo Chatrooms!!!!
Russ, Let them play!!!
I have seen nothing from them except a message from "YouAreWrong" stating they were smurfchess. Let's hear from them!!!
Democracy... do we have to deal with dictatorship again???
Russ, read your source messages and e-mails!!!! are they from players who have lost or are losing to them. If so eat a grain of salt...
LET THEM BACK IN!!!
SpecialForces1976 (no I am not in military)
TOS:
I will not "chat" or communicate with you or anyone else...
Don't want to be thrown out.
I CANNOT PLAY ANYONE MORE THAN ONCE...
Don't want to be thrown out.
I MUST RESIGN ON PURPOSE IF I WIN 3 GAMES IN A ROW...
Don't want to be thrown out.
IF MY RATING GETS ABOVE 1500 (My UCSF is 600 higher than that) I WILL PLAY AND LOSE TO ALL RATED OVER 1600...
Don't want to be thrown out.
I WON'T POST ANYMORE ON THESE FORUMS (probably)...
!!!!CAUSE RUSS IS GOING TO THROW ME OUT!!!😀
SpecialForces1976
Originally posted by SpecialForces1976Maybe i should do the same, though my rating probably willnever reach 1600.
TOS:
I will not "chat" or communicate with you or anyone else...
Don't want to be thrown out.
I CANNOT PLAY ANYONE MORE THAN ONCE...
Don't want to be thrown out.
I MUST RESIGN ON PURPOSE IF I WIN 3 GAMES IN A ROW...
Don't want to be thrown out.
IF MY RATING GETS ABOVE 1500 (My UCSF is 600 higher than that) I WILL PLAY AND LOSE T ...[text shortened]... ON THESE FORUMS (probably)...
!!!!CAUSE RUSS IS GOING TO THROW ME OUT!!!😀
SpecialForces1976
😀 😀
Wow, I can't believe how ticked off I can be over people on the internet. But I am. I don't know anymore info. than what I've read here in this thread + every thing else that has been going on lately. And you know what, neither do most of you! Don't you all realize that Russ implemented this to protect all of us? It was JUST implemented to, so there's bound to be some gliches that needs sorting out, and I am sure Russ is on that. Some of you go way too far, that's all I have to say. Innocent until proven guilty, that's what you are saying for the 3 banned, well it should be that way for Russ too- maybe there is more to it than you know about, there's lots of possibilities here. So instead of being jerks- "i won't do this or that cause I'll be banned", wait to hear what Russ has to say about it. And if he is in the wrong I am sure he will admit it and correct it. ðŸ˜
Originally posted by bbarrnor is playing through the same gateway. we have 4 people who use the same gateway on our network. all 4 of us are pawn stars and there is no problem.
No, multiple acounts aren't the problem.
this thread is starting to look a little strange to me. i don't think we should jump to conclusions before we know what is actually happening here - i certainly can't figure it out conclusively from the posts many of which make it sound like the admin is a tyranny.
i agree with you too, rapella7 and ncrosby. well put! this is a great site, russ and chris have been terrific and i don't really understand why there seems to be an attempt to vilefy the admin with the type of 'protests' that have been posted.
strange and confusing to me anyway ðŸ˜
in friendship,
prad
Originally posted by Baron of ChessThere is a loop hole in banning IP address, for instance, the company where I work for has a broadband connection, which everyones machine is tapped into, so in effect, the 10 or so of us at work who regularly play RHP would have the same IP address......
If Russ knows the offending IP address, why doesn't he just block that address. If he does not know the IP address or computer ID, then what does he base his banning of the 3 "accomplices". If there is a thought the same person entered 3 times into a tourney... why not place the three of them in "their own group" within the tourney and they wil ...[text shortened]... ng.
Baron of Chess State of Washington,USA
spelling error corrected
Originally posted by flexmoreIf you have such trust in Russ, why didn't he explain to the 3 "offenders" that there was a problem; and explain the found problem(s). Then listen to them (if they cared to respond). Then, and ONLY then, take necessary action. And then, PROFESSIONALLY, notify them of the length and amount of punishment... if something was actually found.
sorry to confuse this thread a bit but :
i cant help comparing this issue, of whether or not russ should dislose all, with another issue, that of guantanamo bay (and other u.s. foreign policies).
russ is overwhelmingly powerful. he has information and abilities the rest of us do not have. he can use this to solve problems we cannot. and we are at hi ...[text shortened]... revelation to me because they seem similar situations yet i have different intuition responses.
Wouldn't this seem like a friendlier way of handling it? Instead of all the "closed doors, one sided arguments" discussions.
Baron of Chess
Originally posted by Baron of ChessWhether he trusts Russ is moot. Russ has no obligation to behave in any way towards any user. As long as he is within the law, he can do as he wishes. He created this site. You use the service. Fine. Even the people who pay have not entered into a contract--Russ has no further obligation to them.
If you have such trust in Russ, why didn't he explain to the 3 "offenders" that there was a problem; and explain the found problem(s). Then listen to them (if they cared to respond). Then, and ONLY then, take necessary action. And then, PROFESSIONALLY, notify them of the length and amount of punishment... if something was actually found.
Wou ...[text shortened]... ing it? Instead of all the "closed doors, one sided arguments" discussions.
Baron of Chess
You have absolutely no leg to stand on, particularly in view of the fact that Chris and Russ have done and are doing a rather spectacular job of operating and creating this site.
Originally posted by Baron of ChessMy two cups worth. Russ/Chrismo/RHP admin suffered all this hysteria before with the 'zach' debacle and as a result were determined that such a re-occurence would be handled differently, hence the TOS to which every PS had to agree to abide by.
If you have such trust in Russ, why didn't he explain to the 3 "offenders" that there was a problem; and explain the found problem(s). Then listen to them (if they cared to respond). Then, and ONLY then, take necessary action. And then, PROFESSIONALLY, notify them of the length and amount of punishment... if something was actually found.
Wou ...[text shortened]... ing it? Instead of all the "closed doors, one sided arguments" discussions.
Baron of Chess
It was very clear from the outset that any serious breaches of the TOS would be dealt with swiftly and effectively and that no corresspondence would be entered into.
Such a breach has obviously been detected and dealt with. It is no business of ours and we should hold no issue with it.
If Russ has any faults, repeating them is not one of them and even then, they are mainly related to code errors and faulty string syntax and not pertaining to his character and judgement.
Russ has issued a statement that three players have been suspended from RHP and that is that. Speculating about the reasons, perceived or real simply acheives nothing and you can debate it 'till hell freezes over but the fact is they broke the rules and have suffered the consequences. We as 'generus populas' will not be told the actual reasons as this will just open it to yet more debate and that simply cannot happen.
I do have some concerns with SF1976's posts and wonder what his/her real agenda is?? Me thinks he/she doth protest too much!!
Lets just all step back and let Russ/et al deal with the situation without all the vitriol and if you still think you have a REAL ISSUE then by all means take it up with Russ/admin on a PM/e-mail level.
the skeeter
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