01 Sep 05
Originally posted by shavixmirok, so.. using this reasoning.
Is that what I said? Nope again.
But it is a well known fact that "blue on the streets" deters crime.
It's also a well known fact that postive behavioural stimuli has a far higher rendament of changing behaviour than punishment.
Threat of being caught, or being banned (same as jail or death sentence threat) - not a deterrent.
Actually being banned (blue on the street) - more of a deterrent..
So.. isn't that what they did? They have finally banned people.. showing that it will not be tolerated
01 Sep 05
Originally posted by KneverKnightObviously I don't advocate wasting anybodies time on searching for cheaters on a games site.
What "positive behavioural stimuli" could possibly be applied in this case?
BUT...if I was...
Then I'd leave it in the hands of the mods and if they suspect someone from cheating they mail them along the lines of:
"We have suspicions that you are cheating "insert proof", would you care to comment on this? If not, we will assume you will stop cheating. We will monitor your games and if your behaviour does not change, you will be banned for 3 months."
You could also add: "If your behaviour changes sastisfactory, we will offer you a role in Modding."
Nothing like a cheat to know a cheat.
You see, if you punish someone publically, you achieve two things:
you frustrate that person in question (and extracting revenge on a game site is quite simple: Change DNS, join with new name...and start cheating again).
And you force other cheats to do it more subtly. Therefor undermining the effectiveness of the measures you've went to all the trouble of creating.
01 Sep 05
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Originally posted by shavixmirI seem to remember clicking a button saying I won't cheat.. why should I get a warning if I decide to lie, and cheat?
Obviously I don't advocate wasting anybodies time on searching for cheaters on a games site.
BUT...if I was...
Then I'd leave it in the hands of the mods and if they suspect someone from cheating they mail them along the lines of:
"We have suspicions that you are cheating "insert proof", would you care to comment on this? If not, we will assu ...[text shortened]... refor undermining the effectiveness of the measures you've went to all the trouble of creating.
Do you work for the MLB Players Union?
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01 Sep 05
Originally posted by MIODudeBlue on the street isn't about catching criminals and making people scared.
ok, so.. using this reasoning.
Threat of being caught, or being banned (same as jail or death sentence threat) - not a deterrent.
Actually being banned (blue on the street) - more of a deterrent..
So.. isn't that what they did? They have finally banned people.. showing that it will not be tolerated
It's about talking to people to adjust behaviour before it gets out of hand.
Communication...
01 Sep 05
There has been quite a bit of communication surrounding the results of cheating though. its not like they unsuspecting started analyzing games and just told people now..
Is the problem that you don't think it should be public., or that there should be a second chance and give them a warning?
Its not to just let them keep cheating though right?
01 Sep 05
Originally posted by shavixmirYou really think an 1100 player would stop using an engine? They would sooner come back under another name. Either way... they will come back under another name.
Because it's a more effective method.
When they do, and if they pony up the money again... they will not get it back when they are caught.
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01 Sep 05
Originally posted by shavixmirOK. Thanks for the answer, I don't think it's too realistic here at RHP. We're all accountable for our actions here and if someone gets caught cheating-too bad for him. (I'm going to assume that NO innocent people are branded-i.e. the game mods know what they are doing)
Obviously I don't advocate wasting anybodies time on searching for cheaters on a games site.
BUT...if I was...
Then I'd leave it in the hands of the mods and if they suspect someone from cheating they mail them along the lines of:
"We have suspicions that you are cheating "insert proof", would you care to comment on this? If not, we will assu ...[text shortened]... refor undermining the effectiveness of the measures you've went to all the trouble of creating.
01 Sep 05
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Originally posted by MIODudeReprimanding in public is generally counter-productive.
There has been quite a bit of communication surrounding the results of cheating though. its not like they unsuspecting started analyzing games and just told people now..
Is the problem that you don't think it should be public., or that there should be a second chance and give them a warning?
Its not to just let them keep cheating though right?
I'm usually in favour of second chances and warnings. Even more in favour of positive stimuli for adjusting behaviour.
Punishment as an absolute is very American and British. It's based on the fact that people will 'not do something' because they're scared of the consequences.
I've argued a million times on this site that fear leads to irrationality.
It's like governor Tarkin saying: "Fear of this death station, will keep the planets in check."
It's proven, time and time again that fear doesn't change behaviour in a positive sense.
So, besides the point that I really, personally, couldn't care less if someone was using prayers to cheat on me (or whatever method they choose), I'm also absolutely opposed to using fear to change behaviour.
I'd certainly go down a more positive route.
01 Sep 05
Originally posted by KneverKnightThis is basically my point exactly.
OK. Thanks for the answer, I don't think it's too realistic here at RHP. We're all accountable for our actions here and if someone gets caught cheating-too bad for him. (I'm going to assume that NO innocent people are branded-i.e. the game mods know what they are doing)
The game mods do not know what they are doing.
They're implimenting a system with which they hope to use fear to keep people in check.
Doesn't work. Never has, never will.
01 Sep 05
Originally posted by shavixmirRuss tried the nice way, and it didn't work. Now we try it the tough way. Their is no great solution, but it's a lot better than doing nothing at all.
This is basically my point exactly.
The game mods do not know what they are doing.
They're implimenting a system with which they hope to use fear to keep people in check.
Doesn't work. Never has, never will.
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01 Sep 05
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Originally posted by shavixmirYou may be right in the big picture of life, but this is just a chess site, an internet chess site, where we all hide behind knickknames and avatars and can, if we want, pretend to be someone we're not, maybe a great chess player?
This is basically my point exactly.
The game mods do not know what they are doing.
They're implimenting a system with which they hope to use fear to keep people in check.
Doesn't work. Never has, never will.
Maybe a dose of reality is called for ...
01 Sep 05
Originally posted by shavixmirRubbish. People who are willing to cheat on an internet chess site must be doing it to create a false image of their abilities so that others will be impressed and praise them. That is EXACTLY what happened on this site! The only way to counteract their lame need for approval is to put in place a shaming mechanism when they are caught doing their pathetic misdeeds. It's not like stealing a loaf of bread to feed your starving kids, Shav; these people have a serious problem with their egos. They are doing something morally wrong and disrespectful to their fellow human beings and they are doing it willfully for petty reasons. This isn't using "fear"; it's using negative reinforcement of a nature directly contrary to the positive reward they are seeking. The punishment fits the crime precisely and should have a strong deterrent effect.
This is basically my point exactly.
The game mods do not know what they are doing.
They're implimenting a system with which they hope to use fear to keep people in check.
Doesn't work. Never has, never will.
01 Sep 05
Originally posted by KneverKnightI'm the Easter Bunny.
You may be right in the big picture of life, but this is just a chess site, an internet chess site, where we all hide behind knickknames and avatars and [b]can, if we want, pretend to be someone we're not, maybe a great chess player?
Maybe a dose of reality is called for ...[/b]