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01 Sep 05
Originally posted by PhlabibitFor those of us that can never understand the complexities of the game at the highest level - will someone be demonstrating and explaining the proof submitted?
Russ tried the nice way, and it didn't work. Now we try it the tough way. Their is no great solution, but it's a lot better than doing nothing at all.
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01 Sep 05
Originally posted by shavixmirif it's a very imperfect process, and no one can really be certain, then why not let it go? it's not like we're playing for money or anything. if you're here to play chess, then what does it really matter WHAT you're playing against?
This is basically my point exactly.
The game mods do not know what they are doing.
They're implimenting a system with which they hope to use fear to keep people in check.
Doesn't work. Never has, never will.
i mean, i'm against using engines- hell, i don't even use databases (too lazy)- but i'm here for a challenge, so if someone is using a computer against me, then fine, what do i care? it's going to give me one helluva game, which i want.
i agree that this could get out of control. people seem to be beating the witch-hunt drums, and i find that more concerning than chess cheaters.
01 Sep 05
Originally posted by Darth SpongeThis debate took place 8 months ago. Here's the results of the vote as to whether there should be Game Mods with the power to remove those found guilty by "overwhelming evidence" of using an engine. http://www.timeforchess.com/vote/result.php?voteid=2
if it's a very imperfect process, and no one can really be certain, then why not let it go? it's not like we're playing for money or anything. if you're here to play chess, then what does it really matter WHAT you're playing against?
i mean, i'm against using engines- hell, i don't even use databases (too lazy)- but i'm here for a challen ...[text shortened]... le seem to be beating the witch-hunt drums, and i find that more concerning than chess cheaters.
If you want to play an engine, you can save 30-50 bucks and buy one or you can download many for free on the net.
01 Sep 05
Originally posted by fierytormentWhy not?? Are you saying that NO ONE who has any understanding of chess would possibly cheat? Absurd. To me his analysis in that game was strongly indicative that he was a cheat, since he resigned in a position not even a Grandmaster would have on the basis that a series of moves potentially to be made by his opponent would have given that opponent a sizable advantage, but no forced win. Real players make the opponent make good moves, not resign on the possibility that they will.
so since 2 players in the top ten were found to be cheating, are we investigating the top 50? the top 100?
I read the IronMan analysis too, and Akizy called his analysis excellent. I'm not so sure a cheater could give detailed analysis of his moves like Ironman did.
01 Sep 05
Originally posted by no1marauderSpeculation your honor!
Why not?? Are you saying that NO ONE who has any understanding of chess would possibly cheat? Absurd. To me his analysis in that game was strongly indicative that he was a cheat, since he resigned in a position not even a Grandmaster would have on the basis that a series of moves potentially to be made by his opponent would have given that opponent a siz ...[text shortened]... n. Real players make the opponent make good moves, not resign on the possibility that they will.
Sustained.
01 Sep 05
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Originally posted by shavixmirWell, let's look at fear then.
Ironically, I couldn't agree more.
Are you afraid? The only thing I could be afraid of is being accused and booted (because I know I don't use engines)
I don't think it's too likely that's going to happen though because I think that the last thing Russ wants is to boot legit customers, ie have a real witch-hunt, bad for business ...
So, who is afraid? If somebody is an engine user, seeing some other user get the boot just might wake them up out of their "I'm Tal the Terrible" fantasy and make them play as themselves.
01 Sep 05
I'm not saying that everyone that has knowledge of chess won't cheat, but I disagree with you on this fact. On Akizy's level, a sizeable advantage is game over for the most part. He's not going to make a obvious mistake, and I think Ironman realized he made a mistake. Whether he was cheating or not........ I'm skeptical