26 Feb 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeJoe, I think most people reading your posts that respond to Bennett would say that you have a reaction to him and not his posts. Might be worth looking at.
Please read my <26 Feb '04 21:18> post in this thread. Hopefully you will understand my reaction towards Bbarrs posts.
26 Feb 04
Originally posted by kirksey957I would have to agree. Bbarr is very patient when he has to repeat himself. I think he is a trained philosopher/debater, and that may frustrate you, because he is better at it than you.
Joe, I think most people reading your posts that respond to Bennett would say that you have a reaction to him and not his posts. Might be worth looking at.
26 Feb 04
Originally posted by kirksey957That's it, guys. I really think that if you want to change the world, you have to start right here, with yourself. We all need to recognize, analize, and THEN eliminate our own prejudices. In this way you will teach by example. As Jesus did...
OK, I'm going to take a risk here. I was thinking about this whole anti-semetic argument. It dawned on my that I think differently about Jews. I was thinking about several experiences in my past where I had unpleasant experiences with Jews. I try to like all people , but I would be less than honest if I said that I look at all people the same. It m ...[text shortened]... en. Does anyone else wrestle with prejudice? Not that you want to be, but that is who you are.
26 Feb 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeas i wrote once before in another thread (and you agreed with me then), the freethinkers from rhp will not overrun the world and kill everyone they can via your culture of death philosophy because you didn't do everything in your power by hook or crook to stop them on these forums.
Please read my <26 Feb '04 21:18> post in this thread. Hopefully you will understand my reaction towards Bbarrs posts.
i have often admired you for your tenacity in standing your ground against numerical odds because of your beliefs, however, this is not one of those moments of admiration.
comments along the lines of bbarr 'acting his age' can hardly be construed as powerful intellectual attack. and questioning 'what problems he had with his past' borders on being offensive. evidently, bbarr must have done something in one of his past lives to reap this karmic misery of having to constantly repeat himself on the same points over and over again because his accuser insists on an endless witch hunt.
on these forums, we do not win or lose anything tangible, we do not set policy for the planet and we most certainly do not determine the destiny for the species. all we do is write and if we are fortunate, sometimes the words are of value in various ways to others.
in friendship,
prad
26 Feb 04
Originally posted by pradtfAmen to that!😀
as i wrote once before in another thread (and you agreed with me then), the freethinkers from rhp will not overrun the world and kill everyone they can via your culture of death philosophy because you didn't do everything in your power by hook or crook to stop them on these forums.
i have often admired you for your tenacity in standing your ground against ...[text shortened]... e fortunate, sometimes the words are of value in various ways to others.
in friendship,
prad
26 Feb 04
Originally posted by kirksey957
Joe, I think most people reading your posts that respond to Bennett would say that you have a reaction to him and not his posts. Might be worth looking at.
Indeed, sometimes I have problems with his personal attitude in the debate. I've told him more than once that he is often arrogant. For some reason he becomes the teacher that will teach his pupil a lesson. He then simply does not respect his opponent as an equal. Moreover I strongly have the impression that he is not so much interested in trying to understand his opponents as a human being but he's interested in teaching them how things work. The world according to bbarr.
26 Feb 04
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Originally posted by pradtfPradtf: " ..... via your culture of death philosophy ....."
as i wrote once before in another thread (and you agreed with me then), the freethinkers from rhp will not overrun the world and kill everyone they can via your culture of death philosophy because you didn't do everything in your power by h ...[text shortened]... ds are of value in various ways to others.
in friendship,
prad
It is not MY "Culture of Death" philosophy. If you google on these words you can easily establish this for yourself.
As far as bbarr is concerned he is a representative of the Culture of Death and he defends that philosophy. However i'm not so much interested in what bbarr as a person is telling the world but rather what American or Western philosophers and their pupils are telling us about what is morally acceptable and what is not. Of course I want to know were bbarr stands and I've received a picture of his stances. In the world of philosophers of the Culture of Death he can be called a moderate thinker although he advocates killing and sometimes even a duty to kill.
By the way I still have to ask him what will happen to someone who refuses to perform this duty to kill.
26 Feb 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeNothing wrong with that.
The world according to bbarr.
And you never come across as arrogant? If someone believes strongly enough in something, his/her post can easily become arrogant or high-handed.
If we were all of the same opinion the world would be a pretty dull place...
27 Feb 04
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Originally posted by ivanhoehow about you stop trying to kill bbarr's character and i will acknowledge that it isn't your culture of death.
It is not MY "Culture of Death" philosophy. If you google on these words you can easily establish this for yourself.
you should already know bbarr's position - he has certainly repeated it enough and in a varety of ways. when you refuse to acknowledge what he keeps saying after all these months and harp on out-of-context phrases like " he advocates killing and sometimes even a duty to kill ", it does become your culture of death (whether it appears on google or not). it stops being a discussion and amounts to harrassment.
you have made many valuable contributions to rhp. your quotations thread is one of the finest on these forums filled with noble ideas - many of which were contributed by you. surely, you can conduct your postings even in this particular area with the same finesse and honesty.
in friendship,
prad
27 Feb 04
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Originally posted by pradtfPradf: " ... how about you stop trying to kill bbarr's character ... "
how about you stop trying to kill bbarr's character and i will acknowledge that it isn't your culture of death.
you should already know bbarr's position - he has certainly repeated it enough and in a varety of ways. when you refuse to ...[text shortened]... ar area with the same finesse and honesty.
in friendship,
prad
First of all isn't this a wee bit overdone ?
Second: " he advocates killing and sometimes even a duty to kill "
Are you trying to suggest that this is not true ? Although I cannot write the whole context around it, it still is true.
Third: You should take a close look Pradtf, of how I was treated by the honorable Freethinkers on this site. Pyrrho once told me about hostile reading. Well I guess that doesn't count only for me. Besides that ,there also is something like friendly reading that may cause people (among which you) not to notice a few things here and there.
Four: I am convinced that bbarr is able to respond in a suitable way if an opponent is stating things he doesn't like. he has proven this before. Maybe you overlooked these posts. The word "pig" has more than once appeared in his reactions.
Five: I believe that bbarrs ideas however moderate in the context of the architects of the culture of death are dangerous. Maybe it is time to take another step in discovering what this western Culture of Death is all about. ...... do you know the utilitarian philosopher Paul Singer ?
(.... yes, I know. Bbarr is not a utilitarian)
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27 Feb 04
Originally posted by kirksey957I also struggle with an implicit sexism in some of my attitudes. There are times, when my wife gets upset, that I'm tempted to shrug it off as her just being hormonal or emotional. When I'm upset, however, I always think it is for good reasons. I seem to be under the erroneous assumption that men are more rational than women, or that women are more in the grip of their emotions. Of course I don't actually think this, it just seems to come out now and then. Which leads me to wonder, what other mistaken assumptions have I picked up (from a sexist father, a racist grandfather, etc.) that remain beneath my introspective radar?
OK, I'm going to take a risk here. I was thinking about this whole anti-semetic argument. It dawned on my that I think differently about Jews. I was thinking about several experiences in my past where I had unpleasant experiences with Jews. I try to like all people , but I would be less than honest if I said that I look at all people the same. It m ...[text shortened]... en. Does anyone else wrestle with prejudice? Not that you want to be, but that is who you are.
27 Feb 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeFirst of all, you and Bennett are a lot smarter than me. The debate between you two is sometimes beyond my limited understanding. However, I think the feedback you are getting is that you are 1) taking him too seriously and 2) you are getting upset over ideas. The forums are an exchange of ideas. It is not like Bennett is out there killing people, but your reactions to him make it sound as if he is an imminent threat to people/you.
Pradf: " ... how about you stop trying to kill bbarr's character ... "
First of all isn't this a wee bit overdone ?
Second: " he advocates killing and sometimes even a duty to kill "
Are you trying to suggest that this is not true ? Although I cannot write the whole context around it, it still is true.
Third: You should take a close look P ...[text shortened]... the utilitarian philosopher Paul Singer ?
(.... yes, I know. Bbarr is not a utilitarian)
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My daughter came home from school a couple of days ago and was upset that some very narrow minded students labeled her as a "satanist" because she expressed some rather open-minded views about Buddhists. We sugggested that she just ignore their comments, but she continued to protest that it wasn't right. My wife finally said "well, maybe you just enjoy the argument with them." To this she burst out laughing and agreed. I don't know if there is anything in this story for you, but let's face it, those of us who frequent the forums do love to argue.
27 Feb 04
Originally posted by bbarrbbarr: " I seem to be under the erroneous assumption that men are more rational than women, .... "
I also struggle with an implicit sexism in some of my attitudes. There are times, when my wife gets upset, that I'm tempted to shrug it off as her just being hormonal or emotional. When I'm upset, however, I always think it is for good reasons. I seem to be under the erroneous assumption that men are more rational than women, or that women are more in the ...[text shortened]... p (from a sexist father, a racist grandfather, etc.) that remain beneath my introspective radar?
I've got the impression that you assume that everyone who disagrees with you is less rational than you. I even got the impression that you despise people whom you consider to be less rational, whatever that may be ..... and you are trying hard to conceal this.
Lots of (ex)students have to overcome the "I am fantastic" attitude.