15 Sep 03
Originally posted by ivanhoeKneeling = apologizing? What language is that in? You want my respect yet you go around and post whatever trash you want and expect me to respect you for it? You really are funny (as i originally said).
So,if I understand correctly I can get your respect by kneeling down for you.
Amici Sumus
Feivel the HardcoreFreethinker
15 Sep 03
Originally posted by kirksey957I cannot agree with this.
What Israel desperately needs is a new story. Their history has been one of inheriting the land given to them by God. ... Israel is a landlocked country. Ultimately they must either relocate and inherit a new land with a new understanding that fits their theology or they must others into their culture or be assimilated. Kirk
Now this may be very unpopular with many people, but all I want to do is share the truth according to the Bible.
1. God has declared Jerusalem to be a city which He has chosen for Himself. In 1 Chronicles 23:25: For David said, "The Lord God of Israel has given rest to His people, that they may dwell in Jerusalem forever..." and in 1 Kings 11:36 God speaks to Jeroboam and says regarding Rehoboam, Solomon's son and heir to Solomon's throne: "And to his son I will give one tribe, that My servant David may always have a lamp before Me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen for Myself, to put My name there."
2. The rebirth of the State of Israel is correctly presented in Scripture as a unique event and without historical parallel. On one day, the 15 th of May, 1948, Israel emerged as a complete nation with all its functions: army, navy, air force (one airplane), parliament, police force, medical and educations systems, etc. I know of no other nation in history that has had a similar rebirth.
3. The restoration of Zion is seen as a prelude to the return of the Lord in glory: "For [when] the Lord shall build up Zion; He shall appear in His glory" (Psalm 102:16).
4. All the predictions of Scripture and all the developments of current history combine to focus our attention on one impending event of unique importance: The return of the Lord Jesus in power and glory. This gives special significance to the drama predicted to take place on the Mount of Olives: "And in that day His [Jesus'] feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, from east to west, making a very large valley; half of the mountain shall move toward the north and half of it toward the south" (Zechariah 14:4).
5. There will follow a period when God will judge all the nations on the basis of the way they have treated the land and the people of Israel: "For behold, in those days and at that time, when I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; and I will enter into judgment with them there on account of My people, My heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations; they have also divided up [partitioned] My land" (Joel 3:1-2).
15 Sep 03
Originally posted by ReaperDisagree. It does not mention the Bnei Yisrael (Jewish People) once there.
I cannot agree with this.
Now this may be very unpopular with many people, but all I want to do is share the truth according to the Bible.
1. God has declared Jerusalem to be a city which He has chosen for Himself. In 1 Chronicles 23:25: For David said, "The Lord God of Israel has given rest to His people, that they may dwell in Jerusalem forever..." ...[text shortened]... cattered among the nations; they have also divided up [partitioned] My land" (Joel 3:1-2).
It says in the Torah that the Jews were in slavery in Egypt and when escaped they were in the desert for 40 years until God led them to Israel.😀
15 Sep 03
Originally posted by CFCHi. Sorry I don't follow you. Where does it not mention the Bnei Yisrael?
Disagree. It does not mention the Bnei Yisrael (Jewish People) once there.
It says in the Torah that the Jews were in slavery in Egypt and when escaped they were in the desert for 40 years until God led them to Israel.😀
16 Sep 03
Originally posted by ReaperYou're kidding right, mate?
I cannot agree with this.
Now this may be very unpopular with many people, but all I want to do is share the truth according to the Bible.
1. God has declared Jerusalem to be a city which He has chosen for Himself. In 1 Chronicles 23:25: For David said, "The Lord God of Israel has given rest to His people, that they may dwell in Jerusalem forever..." ...[text shortened]... cattered among the nations; they have also divided up [partitioned] My land" (Joel 3:1-2).
An old, old book written by jews claiming that they have a god given right to the land suddenly means tough luck for everyone who might have moved in since? Give me a bloody break.
16 Sep 03
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Originally posted by dyli think you've raised an interesting point here, Dyl. as you know, here in Australia, the fact that Aboriginals were here before us Europeans is often used to argue that they have some prior ownership of land here (ie native title). the same goes in North America I guess. Malaysia actually discirminates in favour of Malays (the bumi putera - sons of the Earth) against ethnic Chinese and Indian minorities, on the basis that the Malays were there first. Now, undoubtably the Jews were occupying Israel before Christians and Muslims were even invented. So - does 'being there first' count for something, or not?
You're kidding right, mate?
An old, old book written by jews claiming that they have a god given right to the land suddenly means tough luck for everyone who might have moved in since? Give me a bloody break.
PS needless to say, i'm totally with you as regards the relevance of the above-quoted biblical snippets....
16 Sep 03
Originally posted by dylApparently you're on your way striaght to Hell, where you will suffer for eternity courtesy of a morally perfect God. What a bunch of nonsense.
You're kidding right, mate?
An old, old book written by jews claiming that they have a god given right to the land suddenly means tough luck for everyone who might have moved in since? Give me a bloody break.
16 Sep 03
Now this may be very unpopular with many people, but all I want to do is share the truth according to the Bible.
Truth according to the Bible? You see that's a stumbling block for many of us.
5. There will follow a period when God will judge all the nations on the basis of the way they have treated the land and the people of Israel.
Well, considering that the Bible was written by Israelites, that's rather unsurprising and convenient for them isn't it?
16 Sep 03
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I've decided to write a book chronicling the life of the son of "God mkII". In this book "God mkII" declares that all money must be given to mmanuel, and all beautiful women must answer to his beck and call. I expect the United Nations to comply fully with my wishes, and anyone who disagrees with my stance is a terrorist and shall be shot. Furthermore, I now have the right to remove any democratically elected leader who may pose a problem to my "divine right", as written in the "Good Book mkII", to a life of luxury.
Mark
busy typing
16 Sep 03
Originally posted by Varg"You see that's a stumbling block for many of us."
[b]Now this may be very unpopular with many people, but all I want to do is share the truth according to the Bible.
Truth according to the Bible? You see that's a stumbling block for many of us.
5. There will follow a period when God will judge all the nations on the basis of the way they have treated the land and the people of Israel.
Well ...[text shortened]... ible was written by Israelites, that's rather unsurprising and convenient for them isn't it?
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Are you a spokesperson of a group ?
The Freethinkers ?
16 Sep 03
Originally posted by ivanhoeNot at all. I mean 'us' in a very general sense.
"You see that's a stumbling block for many of us."
Are you a spokesperson of a group ?
The Freethinkers ?
There are a huge number of people who cannot accept that something must be so 'because the bible says so' is an acceptable reason.
16 Sep 03
Originally posted by ReaperMany other nations have been "reborn" - that is if such a concept is to be believed. After the breakup of the Former Yugoslavia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia and Slovenia were all formed with immediate police forces, instituions parliaments etc. Likewise, a similar situation occured with the breakup of the Soviet Union when Ukraine, Lithuania, etc were all "reborn". Do these countries have a right to claim to be the "promised land" - if not, why not?
2. The rebirth of the State of Israel is correctly presented in Scripture as a unique event and without historical parallel. On one day, the 15 th of May, 1948, Israel emerged as a complete nation with all its functions: army, navy, air force (one airplane), parliament, police force, medical and educations systems, etc. I know of no other nation in history that has had a similar rebirth.
Mark
16 Sep 03
Originally posted by mmanuelHi. Good examples, although not on the same scale. To answer your last question, did any of these countries have a ancient religious text giving them a area, tell them they were going to be dispersed over the world, but gathered back in their country again?
Many other nations have been "reborn" - that is if such a concept is to be believed. After the breakup of the Former Yugoslavia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia and Slovenia were all formed with immediate police forces, instituions parliaments etc. Likewise, a similar situation occured with the breakup of the Soviet Union when Ukraine, Lithuania, etc were all ...[text shortened]... Do these countries have a right to claim to be the "promised land" - if not, why not?
Mark
16 Sep 03
Originally posted by dylHi. No I am not kidding. I am not giving a legal opinion here, I am merely stating what the Bible says. Now the Bible is the word of God, written by man, but inspired by the Holy Spirit.
You're kidding right, mate?
An old, old book written by jews claiming that they have a god given right to the land suddenly means tough luck for everyone who might have moved in since? Give me a bloody break.
If you are not a believer, then this has little meaning to you and then your comments are understandable and I understand that you make the statement that it is a book written by Jews...etc.
If you are a believer then there is another component in the mix called faith. When I read the Bible and look at world events it is quiet clear to me what is happening. I can give you the Bible quotes, but you will not see them in the same light. But let me make a brief comment anyway: The history of the jews and what the Bible says is so real that it is a compelling argument in itself.
Imagine an invisible person. I cannot show him to you, but the consequences of his actions are visible. It is the same with Israel.