19 Jul 04
Originally posted by NicolaiSThe debates forum is for debates. Just because you and apparently others do not want a bible study thread here automatically mean it goes on the debate forum. I can appreciate that religion topics usually turn into debates or just plain arguments but this topic has nothing to do with either.
Well .. at least we can be sure that this topic belongs in the debates forum.
As for the religious topics. To me it is clear that some religious topics are indeed invitattions to debate religion, faith et cetera. The two topics opened by RBHill containing lectures (spam) about Christian religion is NOT an invitation to debate.
I dare go further in sta ...[text shortened]... t people will start to post Exxon commercials in the forums ... please let us refrain form that.
Feivel
19 Jul 04
Originally posted by PhlabibitYour right.
I believe that the problem is that anyone posting these topics doesn't want a debate. They just want to talk religion without being argued against?
We would need to hear from the other side about this, perhaps I am wrong?
P-
Feivel
19 Jul 04
Originally posted by PhlabibitHi Phlabibit,
I believe that the problem is that anyone posting these topics doesn't want a debate. They just want to talk religion without being argued against?
We would need to hear from the other side about this, perhaps I am wrong?
P-
The problem is they are going to be argued against. If they want to post about religion on a public, worlwide, chess site then they have to expect, and in most cases know, they're going to get an argument. Heck, just look at where this thread is headed. :-)
Since people seem to want to post religious threads then I say let them post them on a religion only board. Or find another board on the web, on a different site, that encourages religious posts. Then they can post all they like.
19 Jul 04
Originally posted by wibI hate to admit it cause I don't think it would be right to ban a topic (besides cheating accusations) from RHP, but it seems your right. Get the bible study topic where it belongs - off of RHP.
Hi Phlabibit,
The problem is they are going to be argued against. If they want to post about religion on a public, worlwide, chess site then they have to expect, and in most cases know, they're going to get an argument. Heck, just look at where this thread is headed. :-)
Since people seem to want to post religious threads then I say let them post them ...[text shortened]... b, on a different site, that encourages religious posts. Then they can post all they like.
Feivel
19 Jul 04
Originally posted by FeivelI know. I especially don't like someone telling other people when, where, or what to post. Especially when most of us posting here are paying members.
I hate to admit it cause I don't think it would be right to ban a topic (besides cheating accusations) from RHP, but it seems your right. Get the bible study topic where it belongs - off of RHP.
Feivel
It just seems sad but true that most religious topics simply can't be discussed rationally. Even when a topic starts out not wanting an argument, if it involves religion it usually ends up as just one big fight.
19 Jul 04
Originally posted by FeivelYou didn't read what I wrote Feivel ... I said that those posts were spam ... and they don't belong here too. A debate belongs in the debate forum ... spam doesn't belong on RHP at all.
The debates forum is for debates. Just because you and apparently others do not want a bible study thread here automatically mean it goes on the debate forum. I can appreciate that religion topics usually turn into debates or just plain arguments but this topic has nothing to do with either.
Feivel
i like the religion debates... I read them all, but this "bible study thread" is just a complex way to advertize christianity which I dislike as much as any other religion and or -ism.
19 Jul 04
Originally posted by NicolaiSi freely admit my error and apologize to you. i was totally and unbashedly incensed at the thought of moving this thread back to the forum it has already been removed from.
You didn't read what I wrote Feivel ... I said that those posts were spam ... and they don't belong here too. A debate belongs in the debate forum ... spam doesn't belong on RHP at all.
i like the religion debates... I read them all, but this "bible study thread" is just a complex way to advertize christianity which I dislike as much as any other religion and or -ism.
Feivel
19 Jul 04
if you go to the forums list, where forum titles are given plus further explanitory remarks, then the definition for the debates forum is given as: "Potentially heated discussions on topics such as religion, politics and other such areas of interest". Discussion is not equivalent to debate: it requires no alternative view (though does not discount such). Religion is there in big obvious letters. So the choice of forum seems clear.
I can understand the debates forum attendees not wanting the thread in question, but frankly it is for threads exactly like this that the debates forum was created. I suspect the forum title 'Debate' was chosen less as a definition but rather as it would have been insensitive to have a forum titled "Ranting". And who knows, perhaps the title has helped to focus the odd argument or two.
19 Jul 04
Originally posted by ToeAnd you make the presupposition that the definition came before the forum name? How can you do that? Are you Russ or just mistaken?
if you go to the forums list, where forum titles are given plus further explanitory remarks, then the definition for the debates forum is given as: "Potentially heated discussions on topics such as religion, politics and other such areas of interest". Discussion is not equivalent to debate: it requires no alternative view (though does not discount such). Religion is there in big obvious letters. So the choice of forum seems clear.
Feivel
19 Jul 04
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Originally posted by latex bishopOne of the principle rules of forums and the web generally: If you find something offensive, don't look at it. I agree with you on threadjacking though - that can get very irritating. But it's clear that for some people on this site, religion informs so many aspects of their lives that it's revelant from their point-of-view to anything being debated. What we need is more 'topic discipline' by posters, but I don't know how that could be achieved: stricter moderation of irrelevant quarrels, perhaps?
Yes, there is a definate need for a seperate "Religions" board. This has been like a cancer infecting this site for the last 6 months. I find it quite distateful to be honest, it is very confrontational and many of the normal threads ...[text shortened]... elcoming place, then religion was allowed to creep in...
Andrew
For those who would suggest a 'Rants' forum, we used to have one. You can imagine what that was like... I suppose some people get 'net rage' from what they see online, and others use sites like this to let off steam about the world around them.
For those who favour a tougher line, I would suggest a 'Cheese Bin', as I've seen on another site. Basically, instead of removing threads that get out of hand, the mods 'cheese' them, ie put them in a forum for rubbish threads, so the posters can continue their ranting safely away from the main forums. Troublesome users are banished to the Cheese Bin, ie they can post there and nowhere else, as a warning to control themselves before they are banned completely. The difference between this system and a 'Rants' forum is that it's moderator-led - no-one WANTS their posts to be cheesed, but it could happen to anyone if they start spamming, trolling or flaming.
19 Jul 04
Originally posted by AcolyteMods always are free to delete off topic posts. It might be quite abit of work at first but soon the volume of off topic stuff will decrease. We could also help the mods by using the alert mod button.
What we need is more 'topic discipline' by posters, but I don't know how that could be achieved: stricter moderation of irrelevant quarrels, perhaps?
Feivel
19 Jul 04
Originally posted by FeivelBecause I remember the discussions that were held in the forums before the debates forum was created. And because the forum list definitions exist now, so I can just read them. Unless you want to redefine "discussion". I won't bother to retort to your childish third 'question' except in as much as I now have.
And you make the presupposition that the definition came before the forum name? How can you do that? Are you Russ or just mistaken?
Feivel
19 Jul 04
Originally posted by ToeAnd I was here to...I know why the debate forum was created AND it was not created for "bible study" posts...if it were, it would be called a different name. Face it, you don't want the thread and neither do we on the debate forum so you want to throw your trash to us?. How about we comprimise and share it...you can have it here Sunday thru Friday and we will take it on Saturday 🙂
Because I remember the discussions that were held in the forums before the debates forum was created. And because the forum list definitions exist now, so I can just read them. Unless you want to redefine "discussion". I won't bother to retort to your childish third 'question' except in as much as I now have.
Feivel
19 Jul 04
I don't believe the intent of our forum is to provide an open pulpit for religious enthusiasts to come in and preach their particular beliefs in a spam-like manner.
If there is an issue that is a topic for debate, put it in the debate forum. If someone wants to just have a general discussion on theology, that's fine too. A single thread should accomodate them, and anyone that is interested can participate.
Spamming the forum with any viewpoint, whether theological or concerning any other subject is an abuse of the forum.
Just my opinion,
Marc