31 Dec 08
Originally posted by Phlabibit"People who lie about who they are and claim to be chess people they are not are perfect examples of cheats."
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This is quite a leap here Phlab. Perfect one size fits all? You might as well say someone who buys groceries are a perfect example of fat people. I am pretty positive there are some skinny ones mixed in there too.
You could be right but it is still flimsy based on what you just said. What's behind closed doors based on your perfect example makes me skeptical of what's behind door #1. We are all just supposed to believe you? Right, no problem there.
31 Dec 08
Originally posted by cashthetrashCash. If someone was rated 2000+ and just a shmo who was REALLY good at chess why would they claim to have a chess title, or even someone they were not who chess players know to have a title?
"People who lie about who they are and claim to be chess people they are not are perfect examples of cheats."
This is quite a leap here Phlab. Perfect one size fits all? You might as well say someone who buys groceries are a perfect example of fat people. I am pretty positive there are some skinny ones mixed in there too.
You could be right but ...[text shortened]... of what's behind door #1. We are all just supposed to believe you? Right, no problem there.
There are a few, perhaps No1 can remember some... or even David Tebb.
I suppose there could be a case of a person who lied and said they were a titled chess player, but regardless NMDB matched engines. His lie raised suspicions.
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31 Dec 08
Originally posted by Phlabibitplease don't put words into my mouth or try and guess my intentions (you're not nearly bright enough for that). I have started looking over the stuff no1 sent me. To be honest, there are a lot more people here with higher match ups that are not being banned. Dave was targeted, you as admitted as much before in a private forum, so don't play the righteous do-gooder card with me phlabbs...its not very convincing.
Why bother? You have no intentions of believing NMDB was a cheat even though he flat out lied about who he was, used the names of 2 brothers and a father who were rated 800 at best but NMDB claimed they were 2000 players.
He claimed he was places and his name matched a rating near 1000, and you and others believe the whole confusion is an error in midd ...[text shortened]... were yesterday. You have heard nothing here new, I don't see you changing your tune.
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31 Dec 08
Originally posted by PhlabibitWhy would someone lie and claim they had a high OTB rating when they do not? Obviously, because they feel a need to impress others even though they need to lie in order for others to be impressed.
Cash. If someone was rated 2000+ and just a shmo who was REALLY good at chess why would they claim to have a chess title, or even someone they were not who chess players know to have a title?
There are a few, perhaps No1 can remember some... or even David Tebb.
I suppose there could be a case of a person who lied and said they were a titled chess player, but regardless NMDB matched engines. His lie raised suspicions.
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Why do some people use engines? For the same reason esp. when they accompany their engine use with a lot of bragging in the Forums.
So when I realized that the National Master was a fraud and proved it by linking to a post of his discussing a tournament in Greenville, SC, giving names of players in the tournament and descriptions of players he played and matched it to the USCF crosstable of the tournament, it seemed reasonable to start checking his games for engine use. I followed my usual procedure of using only games with decent rated players, of a fair number of non-book moves and a cross section of games approximating his won-loss-draw percentage. This procedure gives the suspect the benefit of every doubt.
8 games were ran; duecer has the games and the results. nmdavidb's match ups to Fritz's first two choices was about 85% and to Fritz's first three close to 90%. This is well above any standard of beyond reasonable doubt. I sent these results to the Game Mods who, unlike me, have the capability of making batch runs of groups of games rather than the laborious process of running the individual game move by move (due to the Game Mod tool discussed in these forums). It wouldn't surprise me if they ran every one of the "National Master's" games; he had only 77 finished. I'm sure their results verified the results I got.
Why it is sooooooooooooooooooo important for the TSM to insist that such an obvious cheat might be totally innocent is beyond me though I could hazard a few guesses. But it's past time for this "Love your Clan" crap when the evidence of engine use is as overwhelming as it is in this case.
31 Dec 08
Originally posted by duecerIf I said 'Dave was targeted' it was because he told an incredible story of high rated chess play and a crushing defeat over a certain player at a certain chess tournament in a certain city.
please don't put words into my mouth or try and guess my intentions (you're not nearly bright enough for that). I have started looking over the stuff no1 sent me. To be honest, there are a lot more people here with higher match ups that are not being banned. Dave was targeted, you as admitted as much before in a private forum, so don't play the righteous do-gooder card with me phlabbs...its not very convincing.
Oh, he won... but for some reason he added 1000 rating points to all players involved.
NMDB was the first to get cocky and call No1's chess play into question. No1 went and found all the info that proved NMDB was fibbing about the players involved, and his claim he'd be a National Master had he had some extra time.
Next, No1 runs some numbers and passes the info to the game mods.
Next, the game mods find he is using a chess engine.
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Me put words in your mouth? Prove my words wrong, and I will be wrong.
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31 Dec 08
Jameswoodley was the original banned cheat (allegedly) in my time here. There was no disguising it in his play either.
Just look at this graph:
http://www.timeforchess.com/profile/playerprofile.php?uid=69204
There's some forum Platinum here I bet:
http://www.timeforchess.com/board/search.php?authorname=jameswoodley
31 Dec 08
Originally posted by duecerPlease PM with the names of the "lot more people here with higher match ups than:
please don't put words into my mouth or try and guess my intentions (you're not nearly bright enough for that). I have started looking over the stuff no1 sent me. To be honest, there are a lot more people here with higher match ups that are not being banned. Dave was targeted, you as admitted as much before in a private forum, so don't play the righteous do-gooder card with me phlabbs...its not very convincing.
Fritz 1st Choice: 68.84%
Fritz 2nd Choice: 15.94% (84.687😵
Fritz 3rd Choice: 4.84% (88.71😵
which is what I provided you with regarding the cheat in question.
31 Dec 08
Originally posted by duecerYou gave no numbers and I believe that the first name you mentioned was the subject of an extensive analysis in the place you mentioned. My memory is that his match ups were slightly lower than those given above (though still enough so he should be banned).
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At any rate, the fact that there are other obvious cheats on this site who should be banned doesn't change the fact that nmdavidb was an obvious cheat who was banned.
31 Dec 08
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Originally posted by no1marauderFrom what I saw for 3rd choice was
Please PM with the names of the "lot more people here with higher match ups than:
Fritz 1st Choice: 68.84%
Fritz 2nd Choice: 15.94% (84.687😵
Fritz 3rd Choice: 4.84% (88.71😵
which is what I provided you with regarding the cheat in question.
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Then I went and found this
Top 3 Match: 480/568 - 84,5% ( 81,8% )
That was on another player from here.
It would seem that second one looks alot worse
31 Dec 08
Originally posted by PhlabibitWell I can agree that the obvious lie does raise a reasonable flag of suspicion. But to claim as you did earlier that it was a perfect example of guilt of cheating at chess, crossed the line and gave a perfect example of why someone would doubt the credibility of the accuser. And it would also cause people to possibly wonder if there really is something hidden behind the secret curtain, or if the reason for the secret is to hide the fact that there is really nothing there. Being someone who has been issued a secret security clearance in the past I am aware of the fact that some really slimy things go on in secret, so I hope you can understand my continued skepticism. Having said that, your current post is reasonable.
Cash. If someone was rated 2000+ and just a shmo who was REALLY good at chess why would they claim to have a chess title, or even someone they were not who chess players know to have a title?
There are a few, perhaps No1 can remember some... or even David Tebb.
I suppose there could be a case of a person who lied and said they were a titled chess player, but regardless NMDB matched engines. His lie raised suspicions.
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31 Dec 08
Originally posted by PhlabibitGuys could I suggest that we had a forum set up for these kinds of discussions and we should probably go there to speak more open and freely. I have something to add to this conversation that would probably run the risk of a forum ban or post removal if said in general but is a valid point concerning the credibility of said past examiners of game evaluations that are already known to many in the forums.
If I said 'Dave was targeted' it was because he told an incredible story of high rated chess play and a crushing defeat over a certain player at a certain chess tournament in a certain city.
Oh, he won... but for some reason he added 1000 rating points to all players involved.
NMDB was the first to get cocky and call No1's chess play into question. ...[text shortened]...
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Me put words in your mouth? Prove my words wrong, and I will be wrong.
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