18 Jun 03
Originally posted by jimmi tAhem...
I thought that I'd better just mention that although Spiffy has studied history only in school, I've studied the subject (mainly the wars) quite extensively out of school. I can say that although the Union didn't abolish slavery to acquire a load of troops, the majority of the Union officers still didn't treat the african-americans any better. The unit ...[text shortened]... en gun laws are open to use by criminals as well as by law abiding people defending themselves.
You are correct. As RC pointed out on page 1 of this thread... There are good people and bad people evenly distributed across this world. One place is no different from any other... neither better or worse. So the fact that bad things happened during our civil war is no surprise. Bad things happen in all wars.
Point 2... George Bush has done shit. He is only doing what the vast majority of us tell him to do. That is to try and intervene to destroy weird genicidal governments so we don't have to get involved in any more of europe's WW thingys. We did learn a bit from old Hitler, you see.
Israel And Palestine should both be relocated into the desert in Arizona, fenced in with big tall fences. They would have ten times more resources to work with and the good news is, they would take up no more than 1 or 2 counties of cactus! Silly damned world. Then bull doze the entire area on the Med. where both "nations" are fighting over so that there is no "religious" , "holy", "god given", "blessed of allah" dirt left to fight over. Spray the entire landscape with green paint and let the damned socialists of the world use it to ride their bicycles on it!
Your last point... Vigilaneism... What the hell is that? I just said that everybody is responsible for their own protection against bad people. If you "delegate" others to do it, you are either a coward or a child. I'll give people the benefit of the doubt and call them "immature".
Lastly... have you ever noticed? Bad people are... well... BAD.
They will have guns and try to kill you no matter the state of law and societal norms. Because... (all together now!) THEY ARE BAD! Any adult knows this. Children think there is good in everyone! Right... Get them a bicycle and send them to ride on the pretty green painted desert.
18 Jun 03
Originally posted by StarValleyWyI agree. And this should be right next to the region of desert where the guns nuts are fenced in with as much ammunition as they want until they go extinct.
Israel And Palestine should both be relocated into the desert in Arizona, fenced in with big tall fences. They would have ten times more resources to work with and the good news is, they would take up no more than 1 or 2 counties of cactus! Silly damned world. Then bull doze the entire area on the Med. where both "nations" are fighting over so tha ...[text shortened]... th green paint and let the damned socialists of the world use it to ride their bicycles on it!
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18 Jun 03
Originally posted by royalchickenUs Brits do not have a written constitution, as such our rights are continually amended and defined by law that is constantly evolving in the court system, the whims of politicians, and to a newer extent the european union. As a constitutional entity, the British system has gone through a few major revolutions since good King John needed a bit more cash and sold out for it.
Now it's you who's being immature and simplistic. While it is patently obvious that no weapons are going to go and kill people of their own volition, it is also obvious that the people who commit crimes using these weapons could more easily be controlled if they weren't thus armed. "Guns don't kill people, people kill people". Fine. Now take g ...[text shortened]... But I'd like to hear what you have to say.
WMD don't kill people, people kill people 😉 🙁
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18 Jun 03
Originally posted by StarValleyWyA good suggestion. You can never win an argument with an Israeli because their holy book tells them that god gave them that land.
Israel And Palestine should both be relocated into the desert in Arizona, fenced in with big tall fences. They would have ten times more resources to work with and the good news is, they would take up no more than 1 or 2 counties of cactus! Silly damned world. Then bull doze the entire area on the Med. where both "nations" are fighting over so that th ...[text shortened]... th green paint and let the damned socialists of the world use it to ride their bicycles on it!
So it doesn't matter how many hundreds of years ago they lost it, to them.
I saw a discussion recently where an Israeli said to a Palestinian "Can't you just face it that you lost the land? It was 60 years ago (or whatever), just let it go". I though that was a bit rich coming from a group who have held a grudge for 100's of years.
18 Jun 03
Originally posted by dylNo... I'm saying they shouldn't exist as currenty constituted, never mind be part of any quasi-world-governing-dominating... whatever. Don't boot them out... destroy them! Booted by whom? The entire gaggle of nations comprising the UN would support them in a minute over the evil US. My point is... read history and you will see that we are notorious "isolationists"... for good reason. We are very, very close to withdrawing from the world stage again... and none too soon if you ask me. Then europe can get back to the WW thing every 25 years or so.
So you're suggesting that Syria can't occupy a meaningless position as chairman because you judge them as bad? If someone wanted Syria booted out they would have to propose this, let it be discussed, then vote on it. I thought that was what democracy ws all about.
18 Jun 03
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Yes, I'm aware it's changed a large amount. But thanks for the clarification there.
I think this entire discussion has missed the crucial factor which is that virtually all relations between countries, and all of politics, is at bottom completely governed by economics. As long as people have a sufficient amount of 'stuff', they restrict their politics to places like RHP forums.
Anyone going to take my aforesaid challenge?
18 Jun 03
Originally posted by royalchickenBut RC... why be harsh on yourself? You really wouldn't like the desert. And being a "gun nut"... hell, even you can overcome that if you try.😀 Start out by just watching Disney each day... He is against guns, but every show he makes relies on guns for plot. Then work your way up to bb guns. Shoot a can in the back yard. Next thing you know, you won't be a gun nut.😏
I agree. And this should be right next to the region of desert where the guns nuts are fenced in with as much ammunition as they want until they go extinct.
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18 Jun 03
Originally posted by StarValleyWyYou were isolationist, you joined WW2 as Japan attacked you. Under the American Constitution you could not simply join a European war after the WW1 experience
No... I'm saying they shouldn't exist as currenty constituted, never mind be part of any quasi-world-governing-dominating... whatever. Don't boot them out... destroy them! Booted by whom? The entire gaggle of nations comprising the UN would support them in a minute over the evil US. My point is... read history and you will see that we are notorious ...[text shortened]... and none too soon if you ask me. Then europe can get back to the WW thing every 25 years or so.
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Originally posted by StarValleyWySettle down mate, stop acting the victim and accept that your country is open to critcism like everyone elses.
No... I'm saying they shouldn't exist as currenty constituted, never mind be part of any quasi-world-governing-dominating... whatever. Don't boot them out... destroy them! Booted by whom? The entire gaggle of nations comprising the ...[text shortened]... me. Then europe can get back to the WW thing every 25 years or so.
The number one world power will always draw a lot more criticism than other countrys, and so it should. Any mistakes your country makes will cause a lot more damage than another nation doing the same thing. Yet many Americans see every bad word about the USA as being the result of hatred born out of jealousy.
18 Jun 03
Personally I think no countries should meddle in the affairs of another. And that includes to stop dictators, communists whatever.
And I don't think foreign companies should be allowed to own services in other countries, particularly such things as power generation, transport, health services, etc.
18 Jun 03
Originally posted by dylYou are right. The point is... WE DON'T WANT TO BE a super power... whatever that is... we just want to be left alone. We don't take criticism well, and don't want to have to take it well. The problem with much of the world is they don't see how badly we take criticism. We aren't going to be changing in the next few hundred years that i can see, so we will have no choice but to withdraw from the world stage. That is what i, and most americans want at this point.
Settle down mate, stop acting the victim and accept that your country is open to critcism like everyone elses.
The number one world power will always draw a lot more criticism than other country, and so it should. Any mistakes your country makes will cause more damage than another nation doing the same thing. Yet many Americans see every bad word about the USA as being the result of hatred born out of jealousy.
Acting the victim? That will be the day. Talk about two trains passing in the night. If there is going to be a victim... it will be Syria, not us.😠
18 Jun 03
Originally posted by latex bishopGood point Andrew... The edge of the knife is your point. We now know how badly that "wish to be left alone" worked out. If we had been grown up after WW 1, we would have tried to destroy poverty, killed Hitler in his infancy and strived to get out of europe forever. We didn't. Then along came the next war. Now we are torn between those two policies. Intervention is a no win policy because HISTORY IS CHANGED. No knowing if you failed or succeeded. You take a beating from most of the world. Policy one... or policy two? Which way to go?
You were isolationist, you joined WW2 as Japan attacked you. Under the American Constitution you could not simply join a European war after the WW1 experience
Andrew
Mark my word... over the next 10 years i think we will (US) go back to policy number one.(Severe Isolationism). We are getting whacked too good for learning our lesson and changing our ways. Irony? You bet. Silly damned world.
18 Jun 03
Originally posted by royalchickenIt's pretty simple. They are the enemy. If you don't want to have to clean up a mess later... clean it up now. Now... Later... whatever. No contradiction. Enemies are our biggest "affair". Part of being human.
Do I detect the foul odor of contradiction? You say Americans are interested only in and only want to deal with their own affairs, and then you say this about Syria being a victim (presumably of some US action)? What?