Will Episode III be a waste of film like Episodes

Originally posted by builder
To those who think I and II were bad, how would you have made the movies different, while still keeping it mainstream and appealing to everyone and not just die-hard Star Wars fans?

Why should they have to appeal to everyone? The market of fans is enormous already and would easily have paid for the movie and profit on top. The only reason it was made mainstream and to appeal to everyone was so that not only would it bring in more money for ticket sales, but that childrens toys etc. would be an added marketing tool (even more money). Sacrificing quality for quantity is not an admirable stance.

Yes, Jar-Jar is awful, any worse than 3POs acting and lines? (Can't stand the gold idiot)

Oh come on! C3PO had integral plot points, his dialogue was at least condusive to plot development and he provided light relief on occasion without detracting from the feel of the film. The boy Binks was completely superfluous to anything other than a keystone cops-style slapstick routine.

Those who say the acting is bad, not far worse than the first ones, pop the dvds in and take an unbiased look at them. My girlfriend can't stand the series, compares the acting to chickflick and stallone style movies.

I agree there is a certain amount of tongue in cheek to it, but Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill were unexperienced unknowns when the films started. The acting is in keeping with the style of the film, Episodes I, II and potentially III have no such excuse, having both the budget and the actors available to overcome this.


Lucas always had the plan to make these, dammit if I had a major cashcow like Star Wars I think I might probably make a few mistakes trying to earn some cash out it.

That's exactly my point, he's doing a very good job of forgetting the fact that he created a story people love and as such he has a responsibility to live up to their expectations, something that time and again he has failed to do. He virtually ignored the star wars community's suggestions and ideas in favour of his wallet.

I think it is nice to think how you could have made something better, but if you did, then you probably would be mainly appealing to yourself and your movie wouldn't be well-liked, meaning less investors for the next one. Even the Sci-fi channel which is aimed at geeks like me often screws up in its movies in order to try accomodate people who aren't keen followers.

I am not a movie director, nor do I wish to be, but if I was I would care about the quality of what I did. The point about the investors is mute seeing as Lucas could easily fund the movies himself and even if he didn't, the name given by the first 3 carries more than enough weight to get funding for the others. The quality of film would encourage others to see it.

Since when was mediocrity a good idea? Just cos it's available to everyone, doesn't make it worth watching.

EDIT: Perhaps this discussion should be moved to the debating forum?

How can you not like a film with Euan McGreggor?

by having taste, a sense for good actors and a general thirst for a good story line.

Originally posted by padfoot
by having taste, a sense for good actors and a general thirst for a good story line.

Joe Fist:

I found the conflict within the senate one of the better parts, it always intrigues me how dictators use fairly legitimate means(for the most part to rise to power) and Palpatine was no different. He came to power the manipulated it so that the Jedi were used as troops, killing most of the people who would have been able to oppose him.

I see EP I and II as similair in layout to EP IV and V, in that in the first one of the trilogy it looks as if the good guys will win(Killing of Darth Maul, and Destruction of death star) as well as the loss of a mentor. The second one paints things in a worse light, showing that the bad guys are getting the upper hand.

Starrman: I think all movies should be made to appeal to as wide a variety of people as possible, that was the idea behind the original trilogy, and I like the fact that my 9 year old cousin can pop in EP1 and be as amused as I was when I first saw EPIV(On a dodgy 4 yearold VHS copy that had been passed down from friend to friend!).

I don't agree with lots of what Lucas has done(Some ####ing atrocious games still annoy me), but it is his brainchild.

I've checked out various Star Wars community sites, coming to a common conclusion on things is one thing that they seem unable to do, for every one person who wants this you will find another one who wants that.

To each his own I guess? 😉

Hi Builder:

Sure you are right about "to each their own" and I agree with you. I would not have minded the conflict within the Senate if it was more elaborate and intriguing. What would have been so weird if the premise of EP I was simply the Dark Side of the Jedi was trying to run the galaxy and they would destroy anybody that wasn't with them? I think that would have made more sense. Palpatine could have still came to power by manipulation. I think solely in concept only are EP I and II are comparable to IV and V but that's where for me, it ends.

I think "Empire" is strongest of the entire triology and many I think would agree. I think why its the strongest is because of the strength of Vader. I think Maul might have had the same opportunity if given the chance. Personally, I think Maul was a bit ridiculous and extremely inconsistent with EP 4,5, and 6 (I know the excuse can be made for movies not having those type of effects when those were made but honestly, the 2 sided light saber and flying around like in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon?)

I think the thing that is glaring that is missing is good character development. You could almost scale down the effects if you cared about the characters. Compare the movie "Jaws" and "Deep Blue Sea": "Jaws" had the best effects it had for its time but they were cheesy. Deep Blue Sea had state of the art effects. Jaws is in the API 100 films of all time and Deep Blue Sea will be forgotten (Thank God).

Originally posted by padfoot
by having taste, a sense for good actors and a general thirst for a good story line.

Good comparison with the Jaws - Deep Blue Sea thing.

Empire is for me the best out of all of the SW, never really liked Maul that much.

I liked the senate thing, any evil Siths would surely realise that a direct attack is pointless, so they attack from within.

Well, the extended edition ROTK is coming out in a week so I am happy!

If anyone wants to check it out:

http://www.jitterbug.com/origins/dune.html

Its a pretty kewl page that outlines the origins of Star Wars based on scifi.

I liked the teenage Anakin. Why are people so down on him? He was cool, and it makes perfect sense he'd turn into Vader.

Originally posted by padfoot
by having taste, a sense for good actors and a general thirst for a good story line.

Originally posted by builder
Good comparison with the Jaws - Deep Blue Sea thing.

Empire is for me the best out of all of the SW, never really liked Maul that much.

I liked the senate thing, any evil Siths would surely realise that a direct attack is pointless, so they attack from within.

Well, the extended edition ROTK is coming out in a week so I am happy!

Originally posted by Joe Fist
You might be right about the Senate thing but I guess the hardest thing for me to get around was the dialogue. Had it been better perhaps I could have gotten more into it 🙂 Oh well.

I will probably be banned from this thread for saying this but, for the life of me, I could not get into any of LOTR movies. I think it would have help tremendously if I ...[text shortened]... h a movie was made about Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns". I think it could be good.

Originally posted by Starrman
So where's your rec then? 😛