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11 Jan 06
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Originally posted by RagnorakWell, that isn't comparable, Ragnorak. I'll tell you why. That pole is a bit longer and gives an advantage of better opening moves with better strategic implications. I've seen Fischer, Capablanca and all of them (analyzing games) destroy someone in miniatures of 18 moves, 13 moves, 23 moves. If a player say makes 10 of the first opening moves from a database, he might not make the last 13 moves of the 23 moves. But, how far off will he be? Get real! Half the game is played for him by Bobby Fischer. And, what about the religion of chess? Why not make your own opening moves and learn your own opening repertroire? How will you ever learn anything from using someone else's thoughts? Chess is art! To use an opening database is like using the first strokes of Renoire's paint brush to make your own painting. Only, in some instances, it can ever go farther with databases. So, basically, if you win with a database, it's not entirely your win. You can forget it, because you can't think on your own from move 1 to move 23 of checkmate! I am my own opening book!
A related question is: are pole vaulters cheating high jumpers by using a pole in their very own sport, with its very own rules?
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11 Jan 06
Originally posted by powershakerThe analogy fits.
Well, that isn't comparable, Ragnorak.
3. YOUR PARTICIPATION OBLIGATIONS
In consideration of your entrance to the competition, you represent that you are of legal age to form a binding contract and are not a person barred from taking part under the laws of the United States or other applicable jurisdiction. You also agree to :
(a) You will not enter a competition more than once.
(b) You will not use engine powered vehicles, spring-loaded shoes, magnets or get any third party to assist you in any jump. Pole vaults and running shoes can be used during play
(c) You may not threaten or harass other competitors.
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11 Jan 06
Originally posted by RagnorakOnce you use a pole vault or running shoes, your opponent can tell. His thing is, when you playing chess on here, you can't tell if they are using a db against you or not even though it is allowed.
(b) You will not use engine powered vehicles, spring-loaded shoes, magnets or get any third party to assist you in any jump. Pole vaults and running shoes can be used during play
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All the man wants to know, is if your using one 🙁
Your welcome again.
11 Jan 06
Originally posted by RahimKYou know what Rahim? I have a way to solve this problem! I wonder if RHP would like it. Here it goes. Database users are grouped into their tournaments and games. And, real playing without an sources or instruments play in their games. I think that is most fair! I also think that database users could be identified by a certain symbol on their profile, etc... Then, we'd find out who the real players are. Right?
Once you use a pole vault or running shoes, your opponent can tell. His thing is, when you playing chess on here, you can't tell if they are using a db against you or not even though it is allowed.
All the man wants to know, is if your using one 🙁
Your welcome again.
11 Jan 06
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Originally posted by powershakerShut up once for all,for Christ's sake!
Well, that isn't comparable, Ragnorak. I'll tell you why. That pole is a bit longer and gives an advantage of better opening moves with better strategic implications. I've seen Fischer, Capablanca and all of them (analyzing games) destroy someone in miniatures of 18 moves, 13 moves, 23 moves. If a player say makes 10 of the first opening moves from a u can't think on your own from move 1 to move 23 of checkmate! I am my own opening book!
If you don't want to use databases it's your and only your problem.
A victory with a database and a victory without it have the same exact weight:we'are playing correspondence chess here,if you don't feel comfortable with the rules then go away and leave us alone with our databases and opening books,but please stop afflicting with your senseless protests.
11 Jan 06
Originally posted by powershakerI have a better solution; those people who want to complain about the rules of correspondence chess don't play on a correspondence chess site.
You know what Rahim? I have a way to solve this problem! I wonder if RHP would like it. Here it goes. Database users are grouped into their tournaments and games. And, real playing without an sources or instruments play in their games. I think that is most fair! I also think that database users could be identified by a certain symbol on their profile, etc... Then, we'd find out who the real players are. Right?
11 Jan 06
Originally posted by RavelloSorry to ruffle your feathers "database user."
Shut up once for all,for Christ's sake!
[b]If you don't want to use databases it's your and only your problem.
A victory with a database and a victory without it have the same exact weight:we'are playing correspondence chess here,if you don't feel comfortable with the rules then go away and leave us alone with our databases and opening books,but please stop afflicting with your senseless protests.[/b]
11 Jan 06
Originally posted by powershakerI'm with the database players on this argument.
You know what Rahim? I have a way to solve this problem! I wonder if RHP would like it. Here it goes. Database users are grouped into their tournaments and games. And, real playing without an sources or instruments play in their games. I think that is most fair! I also think that database users could be identified by a certain symbol on their profile, etc... Then, we'd find out who the real players are. Right?
I'm just helping the people like DrStrange, by saying that example is not valid. Looks like they need some help. Sort of stirring up some trouble, that's all.
NON- database users should be identified by a certain symbol. Evil, Evil, hehe Just joking.
You could always just ask, and if you don't like the reply then delete.
11 Jan 06
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Originally posted by RahimKWell, you could ask and then not play them... UNLESS you're forced to play them in a clan game or a tournament setting on RHP. That is where there is a problem! And, all my games I am playing now are clan games and tournament games - well, with the exception of 1 game I believe.
I'm with the database players on this argument.
I'm just helping the people like DrStrange, by saying that example is not valid. Looks like they need some help. Sort of stirring up some trouble, that's all.
NON- database users should be identified by a certain symbol. Evil, Evil, hehe Just joking.
You could always just ask, and if you don't like the reply then delete.
11 Jan 06
Originally posted by powershakerTough titty.
Well, you could ask and then not play them... UNLESS you're forced to play them in a clan game or a tournament setting on RHP. That is where there is a problem! And, all my games I am playing now are clan games and tournament games - well, with the exception of 1 game I believe.
11 Jan 06
Originally posted by RahimKHey, one more thing. What about a 'S' on the profiles of those people who do not use outside sources. It could stand for "SUPERMAN!" LOL!
I'm with the database players on this argument.
I'm just helping the people like DrStrange, by saying that example is not valid. Looks like they need some help. Sort of stirring up some trouble, that's all.
NON- database users should be identified by a certain symbol. Evil, Evil, hehe Just joking.
You could always just ask, and if you don't like the reply then delete.
11 Jan 06
Originally posted by powershakerit's not a question of 'real players' before you fly off the handle let me explain that I play otb for a chess club but also play here using databases. Now as it happens I want to improve my otb game and make that my priority. But this is a chess correspondance site and you are in the wrong place if you feel that way. I feel I have set myself up to become a better otb player due to more extensive analysis, however quite strangley I think I have now reached a stage where the use of databases is starting to impede by otb game (not to mention reliance on the analyse games function)
You know what Rahim? I have a way to solve this problem! I wonder if RHP would like it. Here it goes. Database users are grouped into their tournaments and games. And, real playing without an sources or instruments play in their games. I think that is most fair! I also think that database users could be identified by a certain symbol on their profile, etc... Then, we'd find out who the real players are. Right?
11 Jan 06
Originally posted by powershakerO, well Drstrange, isn't a sub. so that can't be his problem.
Well, you could ask and then not play them... UNLESS you're forced to play them in a clan game or a tournament setting on RHP. That is where there is a problem! And, all my games I am playing now are clan games and tournament games - well, with the exception of 1 game I believe.
Probably, just give him a peace of mind knowing if they use a db.
Just like some people have to know what the weather is. But then again, you could findout what the weather is.
But a db user, you can't find that out unless if they tell ya. Hm,,,,,, stumped again.
This thread is so fun ! 🙂