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Originally posted by exigentsky
Now here you are just committing the slippery slope fallacy. What you are suggesting is that providing optional checkboxes for database use would somehow necessitate a checkbox for everything else, like whether you are wearing pants while making moves. However, there is no logical basis for this slippery slope, so this is a moot point.

Here's a link about your error: http://www.fallacyfiles.org/slipslop.html
No, if an unnecessary check box gets introduced to the site, then I'd like to push for another unnecessary check box which says that you play chess with your clothes on.

Moot points? Isn't that the basis of this whole debate?

Why have an optional checkbox to declare database use? We already have the profile where you can optionally declare db use, if you so wish.

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Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Maybe it takes a certain amount of skill compiling it
I'm amazed that you've put so much time into this thread, without even bothering to check out, even to the most basic level, "what is database usage"?

It still boggles the mind to encounter somebody this ignorant on the subject, who has such a strong position.

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Originally posted by Ragnorak
I'm amazed that you've put so much time into this thread, without even bothering to check out, even to the most basic level, "what is database usage"?

It still boggles the mind to encounter somebody this ignorant on the subject, who has such a strong position.

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I have a strong position on knowing if they are used, not on their use.
[hence it is irrelevent how ignorant I am, or how impolite anyone else is]
I find it incredible that so many people cannot see the difference.

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Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
I have a strong position on [b]knowing if they are used, not on their use.
[hence it is irrelevent how ignorant I am, or how impolite anyone else is]
I find it incredible that so many people cannot see the difference.[/b]
I know ragnorak, I know... Even though we've had our differences in the past I think's it time we just let this one go, we've both done all we can.

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Originally posted by Gambitzoid
You are a bumbling idiot.

Try reductio ad absurdum, not an error but a valid and strong use of logic.

Here is a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

The point is that checkboxes are impractical. In Greco-Roman wrestlers are allowed to use headgear but not required. Headgear does confer some advantage but some wrestlers forego ...[text shortened]... at you report what legal equipment you may use because it is impractical! Same in chess. Period.
What you said has not basis in reality. It was an illogical extension of a decent idea. It was in no way logically linked to the original proposal, it is the slippery slope fallacy and not so much "Reductio ad absurdum." It did not reduce the idea to absurd principles, it rather extended it, saying that if you allow A, we will soon have to accept absurd B, which is not a necessity in reality.

Furthermore, your examples are unwarranted and show a lack of understanding. The checkbox idea would not require anyone to report whether they use a database, it would only be an option.

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Originally posted by Ragnorak
No, if an unnecessary check box gets introduced to the site, then I'd like to push for another unnecessary check box which says that you play chess with your clothes on.

Moot points? Isn't that the basis of this whole debate?

Why have an optional checkbox to declare database use? We already have the profile where you can optionally declare db use, if you so wish.

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There is no reason to allow such a checkbox for what you wear because you allow one fore database use. The reason the profile is not sufficient is because it is not standardized and is too difficult to sort through.

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Originally posted by exigentsky
The checkbox idea would not require anyone to report whether they use a database, it would only be an option.
You mean like people currently have the option to announce db usage in their profile?

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Originally posted by Ragnorak
You mean like people currently have the option to announce db usage in their profile?

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Yes, but reporting in profiles is not standardized and too difficult to sort through. For example, if I want to finda player that does not use a database, should I look through random profiles? Wouldn't it be nicer to have a section of the site that organized such information for those that choose to provide it?

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Originally posted by exigentsky
Yes, but reporting in profiles is not standardized and too difficult to sort through. For example, if I want to finda player that does not use a database, should I look through random profiles? Wouldn't it be nicer to have a section of the site that organized such information for those that choose to provide it?
Its interesting that the people who are pushing for this ridiculous idea are non-subs. I have nothing against non-subs, but I can maybe see why you think this is important.

90% of subscribers get nearly all of their games through tournaments/clan games/sieges, where you are paired with an opponent, whether you like it or not. That means that you HAVE to play the player, whether he is an engine, uses databases, plays with no pants on, whatever.

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Originally posted by Ragnorak
Its interesting that the people who are pushing for this ridiculous idea are non-subs. I have nothing against non-subs, but I can maybe see why you think this is important.
nah. I think they're just too stubborn to resign. now, I'm gonna go help my parents, and I assume everybody else to resign and put this thread to end. 🙂

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Why don't you just stop posting in this thread instead of complaining about it, it's not compulsory? Or do you want everyonre to stop airing their views? It is also noticable where all the vitriol is coming from.

I can see how db use [or non use] would affect tournaments but once again, no one is advocating the disallowal of dbs or books or even pantlessness if you really wanted.

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Originally posted by exigentsky
Also, NO ONE HAS ANSWERED MY MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION. How is your chess enjoyment threatened by checkboxes for database use which you do not even have to answer?
If the checkbox is not mandatory, then most players will ignore it and it will be a useless feature.

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Ugg.. going on and on and on.

I'm going to give in a bit on my stance on this subject althought I don't like the idea personally. I wouldn't mind an optional checkbox for db usage. However, It should say,

"If you do NOT use a db, check this off"

1 more thing. Put this to a vote, but I doubt it will go through.

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Originally posted by RahimK
"If you do NOT use a db, check this off"
Much better idea.

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