Cheating

Originally posted by no1marauder
I have a better solution; those people who want to complain about the rules of correspondence chess don't play on a correspondence chess site.

Well, that's impossible, no1marauder (as in NOBODY), because people cheat on regular OTB on Yahoo all the time! Even when it's not a correspondence site! So, playing on here isn't nearly as bad as playing on Yahoo. It's just it's less rampant I believe, because you don't have a lot of immature kids using programs like on Yahoo. But, basically, GM Gurevich in Chess Life a couple months ago, said that cheating at chess on the internet only digs a hole for the person who cheats. You may make those great opening moves from your database, but when it comes to OTB play, will you be able to come up with the ideal moves when the real time comes? You sure won't have the database then. I think database users who get the knack of using a database down pat can cut about 200 points off their RHP rating and thus their real strength. It is a given that USCF correspondence ratings are a lot higher on average than standard OTB ratings. The reason is obvious: outside sources, opening books and databases. And, I'm holding a 1500 rating on RHP with these players mixed in? Hmmm... I wonder... I bet you if I started using opening books, databases and outside sources right now, my rating would jump 200 points. - from 1500 (presently after nearly 100 games to 1700 or maybe even more). I know it would.

Oh, and something Rahim said once made me realize another incredible statistical advantage. Most of the people I play on RHP are rated over 1400. I wonder how many people boost their ratings or supplement the point losses to rather worthy players by playing players who are in the 1300s or 1400s. They play maybe ten 1300 players at a time to supplement their points losses to worthy players. I know this happens. I've seen it. So, when you measure someone's strength, look at all their opponents. If someone keeps playing 1400 opponents, he'll eventually get a 1700 ratings. Easily.

Originally posted by stevetodd
it's not a question of 'real players' before you fly off the handle let me explain that I play otb for a chess club but also play here using databases. Now as it happens I want to improve my otb game and make that my priority. But this is a chess correspondance site and you are in the wrong place if you feel that way. I feel I have set myself up to become ...[text shortened]... ses is starting to impede by otb game (not to mention reliance on the analyse games function)

For me, it's all about my OTB play. Analyses board and using an actual board is harmful to OTB play but if you want to get good on here you gotta use it, since people who use it would have an advantage over you.

As for db use, the way i think of it is, it helps me learn my openings better for OTB play.

Originally posted by RahimK
For me, it's all about my OTB play. Analyses board and using an actual board is harmful to OTB play but if you want to get good on here you gotta use it, since people who use it would have an advantage over you.

As for db use, the way i think of it is, it helps me learn my openings better for OTB play.

Rahim, you see, you're different. You admit to using a database. You don't hide it. You also admit you're using it to better your chess. There's nothing wrong with that. But, I'm sure you realize this rating on RHP will be a bit higher than your actual OTB strength by the time you've reach 100 games? That is all I'm saying. And, I know for a fact, I can play at a 1700 strength OTB, because I do it all the time. I just played a 1700 player yesterday and won in 76 moves. So, why is my rating on RHP 1507? Hmmm... Maybe it's because I don't use a thing and move rather quickly, making all my moves in 30 minutes time at the library. I love saying that.

Originally posted by powershaker
Well, that's impossible, no1marauder (as in NOBODY), because people cheat on regular OTB on Yahoo all the time! Even when it's not a correspondence site! So, playing on here is the same as playing on Yahoo. It's just it's less rampant I believe, because you don't have a lot of immature kids using programs like on Yahoo. But, basically, GM Gurevich in ...[text shortened]... rom 1500 (presently after nearly 100 games to 1700 or maybe even more). I know it would.

OTB = Over The Board

You can't play OTB on Yahoo.

Cheating = Violating the rules

Database use is allowed by the rules of correspondence chess and hence isn't cheating.

I play OTB; having in-game practice with different openings and learning the "best" lines with databases in CC is invaluable to me. If you don't want to use databases, don't. If you don't want to castle, don't. If you don't want to use extra time in correspondence chess, don't. But, STFU about how you're REALLY a better player than how you perform; you're not. The only measure of how good you are is your results, assuming you play by the rules.

Originally posted by powershaker
Well, that's impossible, no1marauder (as in NOBODY), because people cheat on regular OTB on Yahoo all the time! Even when it's not a correspondence site! So, playing on here isn't nearly as bad as playing on Yahoo. It's just it's less rampant I believe, because you don't have a lot of immature kids using programs like on Yahoo. But, basically, GM Gur ...[text shortened]... om 1500 (presently after nearly 100 games to 1700 or maybe even more). I know it would.

I used fritz several times when I first got it on yahoo to waste people. They did it to me, and I returned the favour. Payback!
I grew up after. It wasn't doing anything for my chess so I stopped. Found a chess club luckily, opened the phone book and there it was, Like a sign from above. It was so great.

Anyways, db only help your rating, if you understand what is going on and can punish your opponent if he deviates from it. I was playing some person and played a move that GM Akopian played, he deviated from the move and I couldn't get an attack going and had to draw the game. Next game same thing happen but this time I found the right move and punished him, ending his undeafted streak on RHP. Beating someone undeafted, priceless.

Originally posted by RahimK
I used fritz several times when I first got it on yahoo to waste people. They did it to me, and I returned the favour. Payback!
I grew up after. It wasn't doing anything for my chess so I stopped. Found a chess club luckily, opened the phone book and there it was, Like a sign from above. It was so great.

Anyways, db only help your rating, if you understan ...[text shortened]... ve and punished him, ending his undeafted streak on RHP. Beating someone undeafted, priceless.

Yes, I see what you mean. But, you just said it yourself. You learned from the database or rather the instance where you could punish him. What's wrong with just recording these sequences of moves in the opening and when it happens next time, you can make the better move... until you have the whole game played out and all you have to do is play the whole thing up to the combination that Capablanca created... then you can play the whole game by rote and not even think. That's cool! LOL!

Originally posted by powershaker
Yes, I see what you mean. But, you just said it yourself. You learned from the database or rather the instance where you could punish him. What's wrong with just recording these sequences of moves in the opening and when it happens next time, you can make the better move... until you have the whole game played out and all you have to do is play the wh ...[text shortened]... nca created... then you can play the whole game by rote and not even think. That's cool! LOL!

I do have to admit one thing though. I think people who use literature to further their chess knowledge and use this knowledge they've learned in their games and from analyzing other games, etc... I think these people are more so considered "correspondence" players. They are simply learning. I don't see anything wrong with that in correpondence chess. I just like the feeling of not using anything and having a 1507 rating out of a 100 games on RHP. That makes me feel good. Like SUPERMAN! LOL

Originally posted by powershaker
Yes, I see what you mean. But, you just said it yourself. You learned from the database or rather the instance where you could punish him. What's wrong with just recording these sequences of moves in the opening and when it happens next time, you can make the better move... until you have the whole game played out and all you have to do is play the wh ...[text shortened]... nca created... then you can play the whole game by rote and not even think. That's cool! LOL!

That would be pretty neat! I wish all my opponent would fall for that.

Seriously though, db users wouldn't fall for that since they know the outcome of the game. NON-users rarely rarely follow db games perfectly and you gotta finish them off on your own without any help although you would have a great position making it somewhat easier.

Originally posted by powershaker
I do have to admit one thing though. I think people who use literature to further their chess knowledge and use this knowledge they've learned in their games and from analyzing other games, etc... I think these people are more so considered "correspondence" players. They are simply learning. I don't see anything wrong with that in correpondence chess. ...[text shortened]... aving a 1507 rating out of a 100 games on RHP. That makes me feel good. Like SUPERMAN! LOL

There was only one Superman; there's plenty of 1500 players at RHP. And Superman didn't run suck like you do.

Originally posted by powershaker
I do have to admit one thing though. I think people who use literature to further their chess knowledge and use this knowledge they've learned in their games and from analyzing other games, etc... I think these people are more so considered "correspondence" players. They are simply learning. I don't see anything wrong with that in correpondence chess. ...[text shortened]... aving a 1507 rating out of a 100 games on RHP. That makes me feel good. Like SUPERMAN! LOL

Your not maximizing your potential. If you satisfied with that, then fine. It's your life.

Originally posted by RahimK
Your not maximizing your potential. If you satisfied with that, then fine. It's your life.

That is no way to talk to the great Alexei Shirov.

Originally posted by dottewell
That is no way to talk to the great Alexei Shirov.

You are mistaken SIR! Geez 🙂

Originally posted by no1marauder
There was only one Superman; there's plenty of 1500 players at RHP. And Superman didn't run suck like you do.

I suck to any 2000 player... if only we could really believe you are as strong as your rating on RHP no1. What a messed up screen name! HAHA!

Originally posted by dottewell
That is no way to talk to the great Alexei Shirov.

Thanks dotte. But, no need for flowers or bishops made of gold. BAHAHAHAHHA!

Originally posted by RahimK
You are mistaken SIR! Geez 🙂

LOL!!! I love it!