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Originally posted by wormwoodYou’re right. IO recently finished a game against a Fritz user. How do I know? A few months ago he was 1850 (as he had been for the last couple years) and he lost. Our second game 4 months ago he was 2100+ and he won. I put that game through Fritz giving it about 90 seconds to think and guess what? The move he made was the one Fritz recommended every time. I played him again recently (now he’s rated 2200+) and managed to draw. I played the French Rubinstein Var. using a line not in Fritz’ opening book, traded off a lot of pieces and we were left with a drawn B & P ending. Playing at the 2800 level?! Not on his computer at only about 90 seconds a move. So these guys can be beaten. Letting an engine cogitate all night might be a different story though, but the heavyweights at the top of the rating list can deal with them.
and the cheats will most likely let the engine run only for a short while on any single move, which will produce quite a lot of small mistakes. especially in positional games.
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Originally posted by SmiffyBlackbuck..... I really did not suspect him. I have had with him result +4 -2 =2 and when I did check our finished games with engine he`s moves did not seem "inhuman".
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Im not shocked with 4 of them but blackbuck i am oh well good work guys
Against tension84 i had finished 2 games +1 - 1
In game which I lost i missed tactic and he got decisive attack in game which I won he missed simple tactic and lost pawn in opening which I did exploit in victory. Thats the reason why I did not suspect tension84 too.
Originally posted by ShinidokiWell that game did look just as good or better than I've seen some top GM's play 🙂. I'd think if a correspondence player could play just as well OTB he'd be rated about 400 points higher. The quality of play in CC is pretty high.
Fritz totally sux....I must be 2800!
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Originally posted by ih8senswell, I am a GM
Well that game did look just as good or better than I've seen some top GM's play 🙂. I'd think if a correspondence player could play just as well OTB he'd be rated about 400 points higher. The quality of play in CC is pretty high.
I just do a very good job at fooling everyone into thinking I am not.
Originally posted by ShinidokiThat is not Fritz 10. Was the game one of the ones you see advertised as finish today or something? He could have been playing from the library/office (without whatever program he used) and his true human strength could be around your level. Or maybe he thought he could beat humans at that level and wanted to take you on.
Fritz totally sux....I must be 2800!
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On the subject of Fritz and elo, the monsters running on Quad Cores and 8/16 way cores can reach 2800-2900. Otherwise the Fritz on a normal home pc without such speedup/hardware is 2400-2600.
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Originally posted by SmiffyHow can you tell they're cheating?
Keary section 3(b) 31 May '07 15:08
BlackBuck section 3(b) 31 May '07 15:07
tension84 section 3(b) 31 May '07 15:07
DixieGuy section 3(b) 31 May '07 15:07
sharkbyte
Im not shocked with 4 of them but blackbuck i am oh well good work guys
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Originally posted by z00tREALLY !?!?!
That is not Fritz 10.
you mean, I didn't actually beat one of the strongest chess engines around in an off-hand game where I spent no more than 30 secounds pondering each move?
...before you told me, I was starting to wonder what Kasparov found so tricky when facing deep blue.
that said, I'm pretty sure it was crafty v19. -- max strength, hour a move, tablebases and everything I was playing.
Originally posted by ItsYouThatIAdoreYes, I remember Tension accepting an open invite from me (he later deleted it, so I never really played him) and he was about 1700 strength. Then he subscribed, took on an enormous game load, and shot up to 2100+.
Its hard to remember, but when Tension first started on this site he was barely 1700, i played him in a duel after he had been here for a month or two, and he was 1600, and he played horrible against me, and i beat him in both games...and then about a month later or so, his rating shot up over 2000+...must have been easy to spot??
Anyway, I believe I called it in Thread 68940. Technically it wasn't a cheating accusation since he did all the talking himself 🙂.
Originally posted by ShinidokiIf you want to see what Fritz is like look at Thread 69854 You seem to be intent on blowing your own trumpet than with furnishing relevant details. Was that one of those finish in a day type games or what was the deal?
REALLY !?!?!
you mean, I didn't actually beat one of the strongest chess engines around in an off-hand game where I spent no more than 30 secounds pondering each move?
...before you told me, I was starting to wonder what Kasparov found so tricky when facing deep blue.
that said, I'm pretty sure it was crafty v19. -- max strength, hour a move, tablebases and everything I was playing.