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06 Mar 08
09 Mar 08
Originally posted by Fat Lady!. Why do you care? You have not played a game in almost half a year.
I don't buy this "innocent until proven guilty" thing which so many people have brought up. If you are dealing with one crime and there is no chance of the person committing more of the same (e.g. he may be in custody) then by all means take as long as it takes to decide on his innocence or guilt and give him the benefit of the doubt if there isn't overwhel ...[text shortened]... e all need to trust the people who are made game mods to come to the correct decision.
2. You are a non-sub. Go to another site and play there if you do not like it here.
3. Why do you always bring up sex crimes? This is an onlline chess site. A far cry from sex crimes. You seemed to be obsessed with the sex crime analogy to cheating in Chess. Cheating on a website is not a crime in most countries. I have never heard of a person serving time for cheating on line in a chess game. Perhaps you can find a better way to compare your point of view.
09 Mar 08
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Originally posted by mochironThis is a community and cheating is a crime against the community. Of course this isn't serious enough to warrant censure in the outside world but in here it matters to a lot of people. The analogy with sex crimes isn't one that I would have chosen because on many levels they are incomparable. But in some areas the analogy holds up.
!. Why do you care? You have not played a game in almost half a year.
2. You are a non-sub. Go to another site and play there if you do not like it here.
3. Why do you always bring up sex crimes? This is an onlline chess site. A far cry from sex crimes. You seemed to be obsessed with the sex crime analogy to cheating in Chess. Cheating on a website i ...[text shortened]... eating on line in a chess game. Perhaps you can find a better way to compare your point of view.
It is simply that an allegation of this offense is liable to cause censure and disgust and this is unlikely to go away even if proved innocent. More so if the accused is a highly regarded and leading figure within the community.
And given the serious nature of the offense (cheating is very serious within the chess community) many would expect swift action to be taken by the authorities and would be outraged if they sensed there were efforts by the authorities to brush it all under the carpet.*
It's been said before and it's worth repeating that this could have all been handled better with a prompt response and better communication from the admins and owners of the site who are the authorities in the context of this analogy.
As for telling Fat Lady to go away to another site I would rather encourage him to resume playing here and I fully appreciate his contribution to the forum weather he's a sub or not and weather or not he is happy to play here at the moment. I hope he doesn't allow himself to be discouraged by your comments.
*English expression meaning to try to keep a problem out of sight rather than deal with it properly.
09 Mar 08
For me this is really simple. Cludi might not have passed the barrier of "beyond reasonable doubt" (reasonable, as defined by the previous Game Mod team) but he's too close for comfort.
He's not banned because he didn't pass that barrier, but the fact that he is so close raises enough suspicion to be sensible to take him out of the Game Mod Team. Game Mods need to clearly be above suspicion or their authority is undermined.
09 Mar 08
but take a look at this from cludi's own blog
(from the 'being reported' section )
"This message was of course a shock for me. Even though I always told myself that the “risk” of being reported would always be there, I never really seriously believed that anyone would be suspicious about my game, despite my permanent top 30 placing on RHP"
- now, who would be worried about being 'reported' ?
- does an athlete who doesn't use steroids say to himself " if i win i'll
probably be accused of using steroids " , or " i'd better finish 4th to
avoid steroid accusations " ?
09 Mar 08
Originally posted by cairnI'm sorry, is this addressed to me? I don't understand what you're saying here if it is.
but take a look at this from cludi's own blog
(from the 'being reported' section )
"This message was of course a shock for me. Even though I always told myself that the “risk” of being reported would always be there, I never really seriously believed that anyone would be suspicious about my game, despite my permanent top 30 placing on RHP"
- now, who woul ...[text shortened]... of using steroids " , or " i'd better finish 4th to
avoid steroid accusations " ?
09 Mar 08
Originally posted by Fat LadyCongratulations. You've written the most ridiculous and over-the-top post in this whole thread - and there've been some doozies. Can you seriously mention cheating at chess and 'sex crime' in the same breath? Are you really that invested in the outcome here?
I don't buy this "innocent until proven guilty" thing which so many people have brought up. If you are dealing with one crime and there is no chance of the person committing more of the same (e.g. he may be in custody) then by all means take as long as it takes to decide on his innocence or guilt and give him the benefit of the doubt if there isn't overwhel ...[text shortened]... e all need to trust the people who are made game mods to come to the correct decision.
09 Mar 08
Originally posted by sasquatch672My favorite is when users compare having posts removed to Nazi Book Burnings or forum bans to 'going to jail'.
Congratulations. You've written the most ridiculous and over-the-top post in this whole thread - and there've been some doozies. Can you seriously mention cheating at chess and 'sex crime' in the same breath? Are you really that invested in the outcome here?
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10 Mar 08
Originally posted by Fat LadyBut would you rather jail somebody who is innocent and ruin their life or take your time figuring out whether or not they are guilty?
I don't buy this "innocent until proven guilty" thing which so many people have brought up. If you are dealing with one crime and there is no chance of the person committing more of the same (e.g. he may be in custody) then by all means take as long as it takes to decide on his innocence or guilt and give him the benefit of the doubt if there isn't overwhel ...[text shortened]... e all need to trust the people who are made game mods to come to the correct decision.