I hate to interrupt and create dissention among the ranks but I consulted a few PH.D's regarding the statistical rosetta stone the a certain player created and is used as damning evidence of cheating here at this site. Of these several scholarly individuals at several Uni's their agreement is this: The writing of such a program is trivial. Their contention is: it would take YEARS to input the CC grouping asserted to here: Berliner to present as a control model. It would take years and a mass mean of probability of less to even 80% to prove one player was a computer engine user. Sorry to burst a few bubbles.
Originally posted by TrickyChessI love posts like this.... They are entertaining 🙂
I hate to interrupt and create dissention among the ranks but I consulted a few PH.D's regarding the statistical rosetta stone the a certain player created and is used as damning evidence of cheating here at this site. Of these several scholarly individuals at several Uni's their agreement is this: The writing of such a program is trivial. Their contenti ...[text shortened]... less to even 80% to prove one player was a computer engine user. Sorry to burst a few bubbles.
Originally posted by Dragon Firebut what if he was relying on 'being above suspicion' to do his fritzings ?
As a game mod cludi would know how games were chosen, he would also know the criteria that needed to be looked at to determine if a player was cheating (i.e. he would know what constitutes "engine moves" ). Knowing this he would be able to avoid the situation.
Consequently he should not have been suspected let alone "caught".
and then, suppose he is declared 'innocent', and reinstated ( it being the easiest
thing to do ) - -
you almost reach the point where it's alright to use an engine - just don't get found out
.. and then, i suppose one of the big selling-points of the next version of fritz
will be it's ' avoid detection' mode
Another thing here is that if David Tebb becomes part of the Game Moderation team - will Cludi even get a fair trial? The investigation concerned is incomplete and will presumably be finished by the new team. A team that may involve his prime accuser.
I mean no disrespect to Mr Tebb but if I were the subject of the investigation, I wouldn't want him being part of it as he's already decided I'm guilty!
Originally posted by TrickyChessnow that's funny. 🙂
I hate to interrupt and create dissention among the ranks but I consulted a few PH.D's regarding the statistical rosetta stone the a certain player created and is used as damning evidence of cheating here at this site. Of these several scholarly individuals at several Uni's their agreement is this: The writing of such a program is trivial. Their contenti ...[text shortened]... less to even 80% to prove one player was a computer engine user. Sorry to burst a few bubbles.
google up "chess databases."
Originally posted by cairnIf you had been following threads over the past year, you would know the 2000+ players are usually under suspicion... Which is a shame, but that is kind of the way things seem to be.
but what if he was relying on 'being above suspicion' to do his fritzings ?
and then, suppose he is declared 'innocent', and reinstated ( it being the easiest
thing to do ) - -
you almost reach the point where it's alright to use an engine - just don't get found out
.. and then, i suppose one of the big selling-points of the next version of fritz
will be it's ' avoid detection' mode
I am happy I am a "C" player on here, it is way better than being suspected of engine use, just because you have a high rating. There are some of course who are beyond suspicion to the majority !!
Well what Tricky chess said is absoultely valid. I happen to know a PH.D in mayhematical algorithms and what TC says is almost exactly what this professor said. The probablity of what the site is claiming is stasitcally far fetched. That it would take a very long time to prove up to 80-85 % any probability of cheating. Anyone else here have one of those degrees?
Originally posted by Very RustyMaybe I should start a thread titled "How Can I Not Improve to Avoid Cheating Accusations?" 😀
If you had been following threads over the past year, you would know the 2000+ players are usually under suspicion... Which is a shame, but that is kind of the way things seem to be.
I am happy I am a "C" player on here, it is way better than being suspected of engine use, just because you have a high rating. There are some of course who are beyond suspicion to the majority !!
Originally posted by KatonahThat is nothing but pure "academic" speculation Katonah and you know it.
Well what Tricky chess said is absoultely valid. I happen to know a PH.D in mayhematical algorithms and what TC says is almost exactly what this professor said. The probablity of what the site is claiming is stasitcally far fetched. That it would take a very long time to prove up to 80-85 % any probability of cheating. Anyone else here have one of those degrees?
Originally posted by Very RustyWith Cludi being suspected I fear no one is above suspicion.
If you had been following threads over the past year, you would know the 2000+ players are usually under suspicion... Which is a shame, but that is kind of the way things seem to be.
I am happy I am a "C" player on here, it is way better than being suspected of engine use, just because you have a high rating. There are some of course who are beyond suspicion to the majority !!
Unfortunately I have heard accusations on at least 4 other top 10 players at one time or another.