Originally posted by nmdavidbI think it (ironman31) was well handled ... the admins gathered info long enough for people's blood to boil and that is pretty good : chess is a fairly calm game (normally), and a little sweat and tears is good for all involved ... it added to the spectacle ...
It is sad and takes away from the fun and enjoyment this place was designed to promote.
I was gone during the whole ironman thing...but I heard that was a fiasco too.
Dave
and they did act ... when they acted they were decisive ... and it seems they knew they were right and they were right ...
again we have an emotive and grey coloured scenario with arguments both ways ... and they take their time ... and like the teller of a great joke they take just a little too long ...
soon they will act ... how they will act i do not know ... maybe they will empower the new mods to decide .. or simply decide themselves ... either way i have faith ... i have much faith (should i post this in the spiritual forum?!?!)
Originally posted by dooser2004I agree. He has made a major contribution to RHP over the years as a superb player, a highly competent game mod, an entertaining and knowledgeable blogger. He is also the creator of the fantastic Clan League Hall of Fame. He has every right to continue playing at RHP, and that is what he should now be doing. But quietly.
You are absolutely right,
a well rspected member of the community has been driven from this site without a final judgement call simply by hearsay and denunciation.
From members who want to make the gamemod team a certain sense for justice should be present.
Rumours and accusations cannot be undone. It's a sad exercise in futility to mount a defence on an external website quoting private messages, revealing confidential game mod information, and utilizing technical output from a game mod tool, which few readers will fathom, and which relies heavily on data selection and the objectivity of the operator.
His continued blog entries are counter-productive. They perpetuate the Circus, and provide even more ammunition for his detractors.
He says on his blog: "I’m not a cheater. I never used engines to assist my moves." That is enough. Everything surplus to this greatly diminishes the message.
Those who believe him will believe that statement. Those who don't are not going to believe his analyses either.
You cannot investigate yourself. What can it tell you that you don't already know? It doesn't matter how honestly you think you are providing evidence. It just doesn't work. It's a self-evident conflict of interest.
This issue can only be resolved once a new team of game mods complete their work. Independently and objectively.
In the meantime, everyone should just cool off, get on with their lives and enjoy their chess.
Originally posted by GatecrasherNeed a coffee?
I agree. He has made a major contribution to RHP over the years as a superb player, a highly competent game mod, an entertaining and knowledgeable blogger. He is also the creator of the fantastic Clan League Hall of Fame. He has every right to continue playing at RHP, and that is what he should now be doing. But quietly.
Rumours and accusations cannot ...[text shortened]... meantime, everyone should just cool off, get on with their lives and enjoy their chess.
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Originally posted by GatecrasherIf I could I'd recc you 10 times!
I agree. He has made a major contribution to RHP over the years as a superb player, a highly competent game mod, an entertaining and knowledgeable blogger. He is also the creator of the fantastic Clan League Hall of Fame. He has every right to continue playing at RHP, and that is what he should now be doing. But quietly.
Rumours and accusations cannot ...[text shortened]... meantime, everyone should just cool off, get on with their lives and enjoy their chess.
Originally posted by Gatecrasherdamn, i'm out of recs!
I agree. He has made a major contribution to RHP over the years as a superb player, a highly competent game mod, an entertaining and knowledgeable blogger. He is also the creator of the fantastic Clan League Hall of Fame. He has every right to continue playing at RHP, and that is what he should now be doing. But quietly.
Rumours and accusations cannot ...[text shortened]... meantime, everyone should just cool off, get on with their lives and enjoy their chess.
well said, sir
Originally posted by GatecrasherI guess i worded that wrong...sorry.
You mean engine users are sad and take away from the fun and enjoyment this place was designed to promote.
Granted, this incident [b]is a fiasco.
But you heard wrong. The Ironman31 banning may have been a massive shock for engine users at RHP, but it was a huge victory for fair and honest play.[/b]
The fiasco I meant was that alot of people were shocked.
Dave
Originally posted by NordlysHis name was Nobby All, Nobby All,
I just spent my last one. Now I hope people stop posting anything wreck-worthy until I have a wreck again. 😉
His name was Nobby All, Nobby All,
His name was Nobby All and he only had one... eyebrow,
His name was Nobby All, Nobby All.
He went to rob a bank, rob a bank.
He went to rob a bank, rob a bank.
He went to rob a bank but he stopped off for a... cup of tea
He went to rob a bank, rob a bank.
The policeman he came quick, he came quick,
The policeman he came quick, he came quick,
The policeman he came quick and he landed on his... truncheon,
The policeman he came quick, he came quick.
The judges name was Hunt, name was Hunt,
The judges name was Hunt, name was Hunt,
The judges name was Hunt and he was a... very nice person,
The judges name was Hunt, name was Hunt.
The jury all were grannies, all were grannies,
The jury all were grannies, all were grannies,
The jury all were grannies and they fiddled with their... pencils,
The jury all were grannies, all were grannies,
They sent him off to Venus, off to Venus,
They sent him off to Venus, off to Venus,
They sent him off to Venus and he landed on his... elbow!
They sent him off to Venus, off to Venus.
Originally posted by Richardt HansenExcuse me! Would you like to read my last posting again and tell me why you are directing this at me? I was talking about you and haven't once said you are childish!!
@ Pawn Qween, eldragonfly, no1
Since you all agree that my posting are childish, logic is my enemy and{add what ever you like} lets have a look at the facts then. (Correct me if I'm wrong):
- It has not been proven that Cludi is an engine user (even though someone claims it)
- The game mods were dismissed before a conclusion regarding the Cl ...[text shortened]... s that Cludi is an engine user - nevertheless you are convinced that he is !!! Why is that ?
What i would say is that you are getting very upset about what people are saying about Cludi and maybe need to step back and take a deep breath. Are you his spokesperson on here? You seem to be giving and taking a lot on his behalf. Is Cludi your father/brother/son/uncle or somebody very close to you? I could maybe understand it if he is.
There is one major thing that's driving me nuts with this whole situation. We were told time, and time again that knowing how cheaters were discerned could help potential cheaters avoid detection. For this to be true, only two possibilities are left open to me. Either knowledge of the system was used to get painfully close to the "threshold" without crossing over, or its all a very bad coincidence and there was no cheating.
Having said that the details of analyzing individual games doesn't really concern me, I just find the hole in the logic given rather absurd in this case. What does interest me though, is how games are chosen. In this case the claim in the cheating was exclusively in the 2007 championship tournament. At best you could narrow down the games to the games played between the accused, and other strong players, as you could argue that the accused wouldn't feel the need to resort to it against players below a certain rating. This means the body of games that are required to be analyzed, in my opinion, are ALL of the games the accused played in the tournament against a specific level of competition.
Lets assume for instance the accused played 50 games that were against opponents of sufficient quality. For the statistics of the analyzed games to have any REAL meaning, all 50 games should be looked at. If for instance only 20 of these games were hand picked for being suspicious, statistically speaking, that stacks the deck against the accused. From a point of pure statistics, anytime you are looking for something and select only the data that is more likely to support your theory it will skew the results in your favor. For this reason, I do believe it is only fair that the community knows the basis for selecting games to be analyzed. I would also find it interesting if the "all masters have passed this test" claim can be backed up if a person was to cherry pick "suspicious" games, if in fact that is what is done when a player is accused here.
!!!DISCLAMER: I do not know how the analysis is preformed, so this post purely speculative, and highly opinionated. : DISCLAMER!!!
Originally posted by GatecrasherWell Said, that it is time to move on...You are absolutely correct...No one will change their minds on what they think. I think perhaps a lesson can be learned from all this... "SendFeedback" Is the best way to report if you think someone is using a chess program, not through the forums !!!
I agree. He has made a major contribution to RHP over the years as a superb player, a highly competent game mod, an entertaining and knowledgeable blogger. He is also the creator of the fantastic Clan League Hall of Fame. He has every right to continue playing at RHP, and that is what he should now be doing. But quietly.
Rumours and accusations cannot ...[text shortened]... meantime, everyone should just cool off, get on with their lives and enjoy their chess.