04 Mar 12
Originally posted by PacifiqueAre you sure that was an 1800 ELO player you were playing against..? Can't believe an 1800 would play so badly
To illustrate level of 1800 - here is my recent OTB game, played against 1800+ (ELO) rated player. Time control - 90 min+30sec per move.
[pgn][Date 2012] [White Pacifique] [Black 1800+ rated player] [Result "1-0"] 1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 d4 3. e3 c5 4. b4 b6 5. exd4 cxd4 6. Bb2 Nc6 7. b5 Na5 8. Bxd4 Bg4 9. Bc3 Nb7 10. h3 Bh5 11. Be2 e6 12. Ne5 Bg6 13. Bf3 Qc7 ...[text shortened]... uld we believe that such a player would be able to reach 2200+ here without engine assistance?
04 Mar 12
Originally posted by ErekoseI understand it is legal to use the anlaysis board, but I am not going to
I've played thousands of 5 min blitz games on ICC (I'm Erekose there, too). Its very very rare that I would do something like that and I've never done it, to my knowledge, in a 15 minute game. Your early games here are filled with simple blunders like this, and then they magically disappear in your later games.
I believe just about everything you've t ...[text shortened]... using "the analysis board" and fall back to whatever rating below 2000 is appropriate.
anymore because I need practice for my OTB play now that I am back
into it. I never had much OTB experience in the past. Most of what I
knew was from books on chess. I still have old books I have never
completed and others I need to review before I will be confident to enter
any big tournament again where it will cost me much money in travel,
hotel, and entry fees. I want to be able to win those expenses back.
04 Mar 12
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Originally posted by kingshillI agree, although if the 1800 was hungover...
Are you sure that was an 1800 ELO player you were playing against..? Can't believe an 1800 would play so badly
Actually, any club player if taken out of their comfort zone is capable of some really horrific play.
04 Mar 12
Originally posted by PacifiqueEverybody can have bad games. It could be he was tired or thinking of
To illustrate level of 1800 - here is my recent OTB game, played against 1800+ (ELO) rated player. Time control - 90 min+30sec per move.
[pgn][Date 2012] [White Pacifique] [Black 1800+ rated player] [Result "1-0"] 1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 d4 3. e3 c5 4. b4 b6 5. exd4 cxd4 6. Bb2 Nc6 7. b5 Na5 8. Bxd4 Bg4 9. Bc3 Nb7 10. h3 Bh5 11. Be2 e6 12. Ne5 Bg6 13. Bf3 Qc7 ...[text shortened]... uld we believe that such a player would be able to reach 2200+ here without engine assistance?
other problems and just not that interested in the game. I am like that
very often, especially tired and sleepy. On RHP you can just take a nap
and come back refreshed and sometimes with a good idea you thought
of during your sleep. All you can do OTB is get up, stretch, go to the
men's room and throw some water in your eyes and then come back
and move before you waste too much time off the clock.
Originally posted by kingshillWhere do you play your OTB Chess, in Moscow?
Are you sure that was an 1800 ELO player you were playing against..? Can't believe an 1800 would play so badly
You need to get out more.
I've seen a lot worse than that from OTB 1800 players. A lot worse.
Under 2400 the whole planet is over graded by about 200/300 points thanks to
ELO provo grades, faulty junior adjustments, simple errors, closed shop
tournaments designed to boost a players grade or get him a norm.
These players then go about spreading their false grades around like the pox.
You said you had the Bloodgood book on the Grob.
Perhaps you had better check out his WIKI entry where he made a complete
laughing stock of the grading system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Bloodgood
The high numbers do not mean you cannot play crap.
Witness these couple of clowns
Szalanczy (2318) - Klein (2336) Budapest 2009.
Now them are numbers that impress. Not a lowly amatuer 1800.
04 Mar 12
Originally posted by greenpawn34Very strange to miss such a typical tactic. I can't believe a good player would have played a move such as Ng4.
Where do you play your OTB Chess, in Moscow?
You need to get out more.
I've seen a lot worse than that from OTB 1800 players. A lot worse.
Under 2400 the whole planet is over graded by about 200/300 points thanks to
ELO provo grades, faulty junior adjustments, simple errors, closed shop
tournaments designed to boost a players grade or get him a ...[text shortened]... 7.Bb5+ What a couple of chumps. The game dragged on for 60 moves with White winning.}[/pgn]
After posting up about Bloodgood I did have a look at the mentioned wiki page.
Burma/Myamaar (the country) also operated a closed system and managed to generate some stupidly high grades about 15 years ago. Grades are only relative to the pool of players that you are in.
04 Mar 12
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Hi Kingshill
"I can't believe a good player would have played a move such as Ng4."
And the other good player missing the ref.
Any moment now someone is going post Anand's infamous 6 move loss.
And Kramniks missed mate in one. 🙂
ALL players can fall victim to a tactical trick. In fact the stronger you are
the more prone you are to making errors. Eligos is currently graded 1847.
(this was going to be part of the next Blog.)
DerJager - Eligos RHP Ch 2012.
Where I show a possibility that brings up this interesting statement.
Average players make more ‘chess’ mistakes than weaker players.
Yes, sometimes knowing a little is worse than knowing nothing.
But before we look at DerJager - Eligos we have to take in.
yashin - DanWarren RHP Ch. 2012
OK. now onto DerJager - Eligos.
So we will never know if friend Eligos would have stayed away from Qxa1.
Personally, only going on the Championship games I’ve seen on here, I think he
would have judged it OK for Black…but…there is always a but…we will never know.
04 Mar 12
Originally posted by greenpawn34Since he was playing the Dragon, he probably meant to play Bg4.
Where do you play your OTB Chess, in Moscow?
You need to get out more.
I've seen a lot worse than that from OTB 1800 players. A lot worse.
Under 2400 the whole planet is over graded by about 200/300 points thanks to
ELO provo grades, faulty junior adjustments, simple errors, closed shop
tournaments designed to boost a players grade or get him a ...[text shortened]... 7.Bb5+ What a couple of chumps. The game dragged on for 60 moves with White winning.}[/pgn]
04 Mar 12
Originally posted by RJHinds"He had defeated a master OTB recently"......
When you get my age you get tired of thinking after awhile and want to
take a nap. Being tired can result in poor chess. I was very well rested
when I defeated a class A player OTB recently at the Columbia Chess
Club Championship is South Carolina.
http://columbiachess.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/club-championship-is-underway.html
He had defeated a master OTB recently, too.
WHOM?
04 Mar 12
Originally posted by greenpawn34Avtually I prefer to start with this game between Miles and Christiansen because of the story behind it. Both seem to blunder big time!
Any moment now someone is going post Anand's infamous 6 move loss.
And Kramniks missed mate in one. 🙂
In fact Miles did not mis it, he actually spent some time polishing the e2-square with his finger (until Christiansen's face had assumed a suitable shade of red) before making the move 6.Nxe4. The game was of course agreed drawn in advance.
Too bad for Anand (Yes Anand's infamous loss GP mentioned), who probably saw this match and probably thought the move 5.Bf5 was some new theory without really analysing the move itself, because a little bit later the following game was played:
Ouch!
04 Mar 12
Originally posted by RJHindsRJ
Since he was playing the Dragon, he probably meant to play Bg4.
With every post you are giving the pack more fuel.
For a start a good player would not play Ng4 if he really intended to play Bg4.
Bg4 gives White f3 with tempo and in the Dragon tempo is everything.
After 7.f3 Black has nothing better than to retreat the Bishop.
White has the Yugoslav Attack a whole tempo up.
05 Mar 12
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Originally posted by greenpawn34Right, my blunder but it wasn't as bad as his blunder since the bishop can
RJ
With every post you are giving the pack more fuel.
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For a start a good player would not play Ng4 if he really intended to play Bg4.
Bg4 gives White f3 with tempo and in the Dragon tempo is everything.
After 7.f3 Black has nothing better than to retreat the Bishop.
White has the Yugoslav Attack a whole tempo up.
go to d7.
P.S. But doesn't that pawn normally move up two sguares in one move
anyway? So if he moves it there later, it may not be a lost tempo.