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27 Apr 06
Originally posted by JusuhYes won it in the end, guess we have different styles of play in regards to time. I find that if I spent 20 min on on a single position then the moves after go quicker this making up for the long think. Ne6 and Nc5 took very little thought after I played Nd8.
did you win it? 🙂 Nd8 followed by Ne6 looks like a pretty good plan too...
and you are right. I didnt calculate all the Nd4 lines. I just worked out the main lines. in a real G/90 OTB game I would spend little more, but definitely not more than 5-10 minutes.
and yeah...I scored pretty well in the town championships 🙂
27 Apr 06
Originally posted by BedlamI'm not sure how it goes exactly, as I haven't played rated games myself. but we have two official national ratings, one (selo) for standard and one for blitz ('quick' selo). not so long ago I asked jusu about the time controls, and he said G/5 for 'quick selo' as far as he knows.
Finland have a rating for just G/5?
27 Apr 06
Originally posted by JusuhYou claim to be a 2000 player who has beaten several masters but you can't even tell whose move it is. Nice one.
i would spend 1-2 minutes and play Nf1...
in a blitz game I would spend 2-4 seconds and play Nf1...
oh sorry , is it black to move?? then I would most probably just play h6 or Nd7.
in a blitz game I would play Nd4 though...
have to go now...keep this thread alive..
01 May 06
Originally posted by stanlohStanloh, thanks for starting an interesting thread. What I find fascinating about many of Tal’s games is a sacrifice seemingly out of nowhere which doesn’t lead to a mate in 3 or 4 moves, but a continued strong attack – with sometimes strangely ‘quiet’ moves - and way down the road: victory. I suppose we’ve all thought about (or tried) such sacrifices, but most times they run into nothing (or defeat). For this continued firing power I believe two things are needed: first a position to launch it from which you get by strategic play (strategy is about how you place your troops before the battle); and secondly the ability to keep spotting more mad, tactical – as well as positional - moves right in the middle of all the dust. I don’t believe Tal saw exactly how a tactical sacrifice would give him victory in 10 – 15 moves; it was probably more of a pretty unique sense he had developed of when a situation was ripe. And how to create it. You could even argue that his opening play was pretty boring. Maybe one difference is that so called ‘positional’ players prefer to churn their positional play all the way through to victory, and the ‘mad, tactical geniuses’ rather want to build up to situations with potential energy so high that they can take the risk of launching the fireworks they enjoy. (See the point from Bedlam earlier in this thread where he chose the safer Nd8 instead of launching ‘half blind’ into the risky Nd4!? Sorry Bedlam, no offence meant). To have that sense and judge these situations well, obviously will need a lot of experience. I didn’t read you to want to play just like Tal (which might be a somewhat tall order), but to play more exciting chess. And if you’d really like that - and have a strong sense for the beauty of those games – in my view you might actually be well on your way. Just keep looking for and positioning for those opportunities you enjoy. You’ll need thick skin, though because it's a more bumpy road: I’d spend more time analysing my losses (and victories!) than on tactical puzzles, balance tactics with strategic build up; try to figure out what characterised potent positions in Tal’s and others' games - that's possibly a good part of the learning you looking for. (I’m a bit uncertain about the actual value of tactical puzzles – apart from being good entertainment – the problem is that you already know that there is an answer, which you don’t in a real game).
Hey guys, I was thinking, how do I become a mad tactical attacking genius?
01 May 06
I mentioned this another thread but I thought I should write it on here also. I think doing tactics slowly is more benefical then doing them quickly. You understand the position better if you take the time.
I think 5 minutes is the maximum. If you don't get the solution after that give up, check the solution and do it again a week later.
As for OTB and tactics, Jusuh mentioned you don't have enough time to spend 5 minutes. You have time to spend 5+ minutes thinking about the tactics since the tactic is not 1 move, but X moves deep so you can afford to spend 10 min finding the tactic and then play the next moves immedietely. We use time control of G110/30sec increment and during the middlegame I spend around 10 min per move.
01 May 06
Originally posted by RahimKwell here is the catch...you think, say, 15 minutes and still dont find any working/winning combination. what do you do then? you have just wasted 15 minutes your time and you found nothing.
You have time to spend 5+ minutes thinking about the tactics since the tactic is not 1 move, but X moves deep so you can afford to spend 10 min finding the tactic and then play the next moves immedietely. We use time control of G110/30sec increment and during the middlegame I spend around 10 min per move.
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Originally posted by JusuhYou dont waste 15 mins, your understand of the position is improved on what it was before, for a start you know if the tactic works or not and if it doesnt work you will know why it fails. If theres a possibility of a winning combination you have to check it out, good players wont make basic mistakes which means to take advantage of tactical errors you will often have to spend more than 5 mins working the tactical varitions. If you work it out and it doesnt work then you can start to play moves that will make the tactic work.
well here is the catch...you think, say, 15 minutes and still dont find any working/winning combination. what do you do then? you have just wasted 15 minutes your time and you found nothing.
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Originally posted by JusuhIf I'm doing tactics at home I spend maximum of 5 minutes on the problem. If I still don't get it, I check the solution. Try to understand why I couldn't figure it out, maybe I missed some subtle thing and then do that problem again a month or some weeks after.
well here is the catch...you think, say, 15 minutes and still dont find any working/winning combination. what do you do then? you have just wasted 15 minutes your time and you found nothing.
Several Gm's and Senior masters also recommend this. Spend 5 min max.
If i'm play OTB then I spend more time since you are not sure if the tactic exists. That's what I don't like about doing tactics. You know it exists and try harder to find it while in a OTB game you don't know it's there.
edit: So for you, you think say 10 seconds? Don't get it, see the solution and be like doh! I knew that one, I should have spend more time? 🙂
I've had that happen to me when i'm rushing through my puzzles.