Originally posted by XanthosNZIf that IS cheating, then we can just call every modern GM a big, fat cheater. Worse, I'm guessing their pregame computer analysis is tailored for a SPECIFIC OPPONENT. The horror!
Why just because a computer was used in pregame (not pregame not during game) analysis rather than a book or a tutor is it cheating?
You still have to retain and apply whatever knowledge you've gleaned from the pregame computer prep. Whether you categorize it as learning or rote memorization - not sure there's a distinction that matters.
Originally posted by sergen1976OK I answered your false acusation. Tell us about your graph.
1) His graphic is not smooth. If you will resighned all games in one package the graphic will smooth.
To drop 200 points in last 3 month is impossible for me. I dropped like that when I was not be able to play here. My graphic is smooth.
2) I think we can't use books and databases too.
Bobbing along about 1500 then a peak of 1800 in one big jump.
I think someone should be hunting the hunter.
I give my name. The league's I play in. There are players on this site that belong to the club's I belong to. Who is there to vouch for you.
I think you should update your profile with proof of yourself before you start to sling mud.
It seems to me that there are any number of things that you can do to improve the strength of your play:
1 Put position on chess board at home and move pieces around
2 Use Analyse Board
3 Use a book (particularly for openings)
4 Use a database
5 Use a computer to analyse positions before and after the game
and also
6 Ask a friend what they would play
7 Put position on computer, make intended move, and see what happens
8 Use computer during game to analyse and suggest moves
I would assume 1-5 are OK, 6-8 are clearly cheating. 1-4 makes use of static data that cannot have been created for the game being played. It will still be down to your skill to make anything out of it. Anything done before and after the game must be OK - it's just like a sportman practising.
6-8 are cheating because new information is being created and supplied in relation to the specific game being played, but this new information is not being created by you. If you think 6 is OK, then I might as well invite my mates Gary, Vlad and Vishy round for tea and I will rapdly improve.
If there are some people who simply slot their moves into Fritz and then play whatever it suggests, then I hope I never play them. But if I do, then I know I will not win or draw, but there will only be one real loser.
Originally posted by seanpbutlerStill waiting.
OK I answered your false acusation. Tell us about your graph.
Bobbing along about 1500 then a peak of 1800 in one big jump.
I think someone should be hunting the hunter.
I give my name. The league's I play in. There are players on this site that belong to the club's I belong to. Who is there to vouch for you.
I think you should update your profile with proof of yourself before you start to sling mud.
Originally posted by seanpbutlernot my place to answer of course ... but i would guess sergen started a 100 games at once .. resigned in none ... and won 50 or so in a row.
Still waiting.
then of course there were 50 losses to follow and so the big dipper.
pretty standard type of curve for a big game player ... the cat and others do this regularly.
Originally posted by flexmoreHey I have no doubt.
not my place to answer of course ... but i would guess sergen started a 100 games at once .. resigned in none ... and won 50 or so in a row.
then of course there were 50 losses to follow and so the big dipper.
pretty standard type of curve for a big game player ... the cat and others do this regularly.
There are a lot of reasons. If you look at David Tebb's you can see that there is a general up trend on the site in the last few month. You get a lot of new people in and the general grade goes up as points transfer up the piramid and then you need an adjustment.
I just wanted to turn the table. I was a bit miffed at being acused when my OTB grade is a lot higher than the grade he is trying to give me a hard time for when this site should be a bit of fun.
I think before he sets himself up as the grand enquizitor he needs to get his house in order. Who the hell is he.
[i]If there are some people who simply slot their moves into Fritz and then play whatever it suggests, then I hope I never play them. But if I do, then I know I will not win or draw, but there will only be one real loser.[/b]Well put, and I agree with the part I snipped away as well.
I doubt cheating is as common as many fear simply because most people enjoy the challenge of the game. Those who cheat probably don't stay long.
sergen1976
I see you on line but now you have gone quiet.
I would like you to prove who you are.
Give us your name. The league's you play in. Some proof that you have the ability to jump 300 points in a month.
You set yourself up as the grand jury and condem. Let's see a little proof from you. Justify your grade. Let's see your OTB ability that set's you up as judge and jury.
You seem to be very shy about giving this information.
I still don't beleive you. I can say you took lessons from top players. It doesn't mean anything. People read Kasparov's book. It doesn't mean anything too. You can give your word 100 time I don't care. You are going to the club. So what? If you have 2200 in that club even you would real sick you would have more than 1800 here. I am tired to prove anything here. Only in real life I can prove something when I crash people at the board but not here.
Sergen there is no logic to any of your posts and you're simply not listening to the replies people are giving.
Ratings on here go up and down. If you play a lot of play of tournaments and clan games you come up against higher rated players, I do all the time. I don't easily beat 2000+ players, in fact I hardly beat them ever, but I keep playing them and when I lose my rating drops.
Sure, if I only ever played lower rated players and less games then my rating would be more constant, like many of the top 20 players here who play about 20 games concurrently amongst themselves. You can't just look at rating and graph peaks and troughs to assess someone's ability, and certainly can't use this as the only basis to accuse them of foul play. Please desist.
Originally posted by sergen1976Again you have missed the point. I have given you the name of two GM's 5 Leagues and the BCF Grading book and my full name. I have no problems proving who I am and all the people on this site who have played in and around london over the last 40 years know me.
I still don't beleive you. I can say you took lessons from top players. It doesn't mean anything. People read Kasparov's book. It doesn't mean anything too. You can give your word 100 time I don't care. You are going to the club. So what? If you have 2200 in that club even you would real sick you would have more than 1800 here. I am tired to prove an ...[text shortened]... ing here. Only in real life I can prove something when I crash people at the board but not here.
It's you we want to know about. We don't know your name. You have not given us the name of someone to vouch for you. No league. No grade for OTB. Just the ability to jump your grade in a very short time.
I am asking you to provide proof that you can play.
You want to play via yahoo or any computer where you do not sit down.
Well if you are 1800 + then give us some proof that you can play yourself over the board.
Originally posted by sergen1976Do any strong players waste their time at a site as badly designed and problem ridden as Yahoo? Why not propose ICC, FICS, Ajedrez21, or other such respectable site? When you sound like a yahoo and persist in the face of the replies you've received, your concerns lose whatever credibility they had remaining.
And if you want I can play with you on Yahoo in quick chess. Just to be sure that you are not 2200 in real life.
Because Yahoo is for free. ICC is over $40. What do you want from amateurs?
Don't blame Yahoo design. They spend a lot of money to develop real Java chess engine. It has very good quality and it is user friendly. The opposite situation with ICC. To play on ICC you need to install special software on your computer. In Yahoo's case you need to enable only Java Applets in your browser. I bet to develop JavaApplet like Yahoo's is more harder than develop ICC's client software.
Originally posted by sergen1976I play on ICC - there is no comparison to yahoo. The subscription fee keeps the timewasters away!
Because Yahoo is for free. ICC is over $40. What do you want from amateurs?
Don't blame Yahoo design. They spend a lot of money to develop real Java chess engine. It has very good quality and it is user friendly. The opposite situation with ICC. To play on ICC you need to install special software on your computer. In Yahoo's case you need to enable on ...[text shortened]... r. I bet to develop JavaApplet like Yahoo's is more harder than develop ICC's client software.